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Author:  asdf29 [ Mon February 11th, 2008, 07:40 GMT ]
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Is anyone familiar with Stephen Pickering?

I see him mentioned here and there, but I can't find any real info. He was an early Dylan analyst, writer.

I have a large magazine he had published circa 1971 (well it's in black and white on heavy paper, 66 pages). It's called "Dylan: A Commemoration"

It is chock FULL of essays by Pickering, reprints of Dylans letters to Sing Out and others and tons of photos.

Anyone have any info on this, any interest in it?

I ask because I'm considering putting it on ebay. I recently sold several silver-discs. Clearing out the office.

Author:  Johnnie Ray [ Mon February 11th, 2008, 09:58 GMT ]
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He wrote a couple of books in the 70s that are now out of print. I don't know if the books are any good, but I do like Google because you can find out stuff like this really easily http://www.google.com/

Stephen Pickering Bob Dylan Approximately: A Portrait of the Jewish Poet in search of God: A Midrash. David McKay Co Inc New York 1975.

Stephen Pickering
Bob Dylan Tour 1974. Aptos, Cal. 1974

Your zine is priced at $94.00 here http://www.musicstack.com/item/14776059 ... memoration but don't expect to get anywhere near that on eBay. I'll give you $5 for it and then charge you $10 for all this research I'm doing for you. So you owe me $5 and the magazine :P

Author:  monicasdude [ Mon February 11th, 2008, 15:06 GMT ]
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"I don't know if the books are any good"

I've read two of them, and I wouldn't say they're good, but they're interesting -- sometimes vis Dylan, more often vis obsessiveness. The book on the '74 tour has lots of nice pictures and quite a few on-the-spot observations that weren't reported anywhere else. I'd discounted it until I turned up the complete tape of the 1/3/74 show a couple years back and realized that Pickering's account of the show matched up to the tape, while the "common knowledge" account wasn't so accurate.

"Praxis:One" was so conspicuously unreadable that I didn't bother pciking up a copy when it came out, and I suspect my judgment on that one was accurate (though I now wish I'd picked up a stack; I could resell them for a nice profit. Same store had a stack of Dean Koontz's "The Pig Society," another self-published tract that goes for a heft amount these days. Oh well.)

Author:  asdf29 [ Mon February 11th, 2008, 17:52 GMT ]
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Thanks for the info.

It's funny...I DID google Pickering - but not recently....

Today's google search turned up someone else selling this exact publication at ebay for $47.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOB-DYLAN-DYLAN-A-C ... dZViewItem

Author:  Johnnie Ray [ Mon February 11th, 2008, 19:56 GMT ]
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asdf29 wrote:
Today's google search turned up someone else selling this exact publication at ebay for $47.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOB-DYLAN-DYLAN-A-C ... dZViewItem


*trying* to sell it for $47, that is. The jury's still out! :)

Author:  Zeppelin Crumble [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 07:31 GMT ]
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asdf29 wrote:
Is anyone familiar with Stephen Pickering?


Shazam, kerrang, boom-banga-bang, toper asdf29. Those that venture through these portals are now:


stephanpickering wrote:
My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
The miming rumour is based on shitty out of sync stream rips. Those kind of files are more likely to be out of sync than in sync. Bob Dylan miming? Ridiculous. Think before you post.


Shalom & Boker tov...Your comments are long overdue amidst all of this nonsense (coming from those who do not think, cannot write or create, but stamp around like caged primates) that will, tomorrow, be irrelevant


Googlerisation of his name also rendered this appraisal, via wikidob:

'[19?? - ] Chofetz Chaim ben-Avraham, aka Stephen Pickering, is the author and editor of (now highly collectible) early selfpublished Dylan booklets, the large-format Dylan: A Commemoration, 1969, and the more substantial Praxis: One, 1972. The latter contains an exemplary selected listing of articles about Dylan published 1961-71 as well as articles by a number of writers but mostly by Pickering; both booklets are largely ill-written and always unpleasant about other Dylan authors - it's typical of both traits that he writes of TOBY THOMPSON that his "purpose is to edify himself" and that "he is neither genuinely interested in Dylan's work, nor is his book any kind of unbiased or useful reference."'

http://wikidob.com/4630-pickering-stephen.html

The 'ill-written' and Toby Thompson comments are interesting, given that Positively Main Street is an infinitely better read than Bob Dylan Approximately, which verges on the unreadable. Shazam, Croaker Sisal Bob.

Author:  Hungryhoss [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 08:18 GMT ]
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I think he mostly posts lists of his top 10 albums and songs.

Author:  arcadian [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 13:08 GMT ]
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I had two of his earlier editions from early 70's; a Commemoration and Praxis One,
Probably read them once. Can't say I was too enamored.
They were thrown out (or sold to some unscrupulous trader) when I moved house.

Author:  asdf29 [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 16:33 GMT ]
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Who bumped this?

I still have my copy, and I'm glad Stephen posts here.

I said this in one of his threads, but I found a copy of his "Commemoration"
when I was a teenager in the late 90's. It was an interesting read, especially
considering I was new to Dylan, only had the major albums and liner notes,
and the internet wasn't such a big thing yet.

I managed to keep that oversized publication in my possession through
various moves. Ha ha. It doesn't fit well on most bookshelves.

Not sure how many Dylan books were out there in 1971, but you could probably
count them on one hand.

Author:  stephanpickering [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 18:32 GMT ]
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Shalom & Boker tov...as a scholar, let me state: this is unnecessary, and out-of-date...
STEPHAN PICKERING/Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  stephanpickering [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 18:58 GMT ]
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June 1971. ed., Dylan. A commemoration (Nowels Publications), 63pp Sold for $1.00, 1st printing, quarter-fold format, 11.5" x 14.5"

July 1971. ed., Dylan. A commemoration (Nowels Publications), 64pp Sold for $2.00, 2nd printing, distributed by Book People. Inside front cover has lengthy statement not in 1st printing. 2nd printing deletes 12 May 1971 Peanuts cartoon about Bob turning 30. Upper part of page 64 lists address for Book People in Berkeley for retail, wholesale, and library distribution, and bottom of page reads: 'coming: Dylan; Existence, Men and Realities'

1971 The Two Tarantulas: a textual comparison (privately published), 45pp This is being republished at this forum currently, and in my monograph-progress

January 1972. ed., Dylan. A commemoration (A No Limit Publication / Nowels Publications), 64pp Sold for $2.00, third printing, distributed by Book People.
Top of page 64 reads:
[LINE ONE] 'DYLAN: A COMMEMORATION - A No Limit Publication edited by Stephen Pickering'
[LINE TWO] 'Printed in U.S. by - Nowels Publications, Roble Ave. Menlo Park, Calif.'
[LINE THREE] 'Wholesale Distribution - Book People, 2010 Seventh Avenue, Berkeley, Calif.'
[LINE FOUR] 'Editorial Correspondence 214 Lincoln Street, Santa Cruz, California, 95960'
Bottom of page 64 reads: 'ALSO AVAILABLE FROM NO LIMIT PUBLICATIONS - PRAXIS I; Existence, Men & Realities'

1995 ed., Dylan. A commemoration (Desolation Row Promotions), A4 size reproduction. Unauthorised / unseen

December 1971. ed., PRAXIS: ONE. Existence, Men and Realities (A No Limit Publication / Nowels Publications), 152pp [inside back cover unnumbered 153] Sold for $2.50, press run of 4000 copies.
Contributing Editors: Scott Sullivan, David Meltzer, Fair View, D.J. Carlile, Ryan Brady, William Biurita

1996. ed., PRAXIS: ONE. Existence, Men and Realities (Desolation Row Promotions), A4 size reproduction. Unauthorised / unseen

December 1973. Bob Dylan Tour 1974 (Echo, Echo Limited), 56pp [pp. 57-58 unnumbered]

1975. Bob Dylan Approximately. A Midrash. A Portrait of the Jewish Poet in Search of God (David McKay Company), 208pp [pp. 205-208 unnumbered] Cloth / paper

1972-1974 UNPUBLISHED: ed., Aggadah: studies in Bob Dylan & Torah Judaism;

ed., Kavvanah: mystic steps & Dylaneutics;

"Knockin' on heaven's door" & "Billy": a Jewish speculation;

1977-1979 UNPUBLISHED: RENALDO & CLARA: a bibliography...

Divrei Torah haBob Dylan v'Shabtai Zisel

ABANDONED: An annotated Bob Dylan concordance I have been, when necessary for my monograph-in-progress, preparing a concordance of major symbols he has utilised, primarily because Steve Michel's effort, while laudable, is quite incomplete

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva: davening in the musematic dark The first chapter, on the 12 June 1954 bar mitzvah, and the chassidic kabbalist Reb Reuven Maier who was his primary teacher (et al.) is being published by me within a month...I shall be using other Shabtai Zisel/Bob Dylan research (400 pages of writings) I have done for over 40 years, as well, to correct what remains the vapid, chronic ignorance

If any of you have actually done research (in English or Hebrew) on his mythopoesis, then by all means let us see it...I don't like show-and-tell...and wikidob, or whatever it is, is irrelevant bigotry...

STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  hollowhorn [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 19:25 GMT ]
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stephanpickering wrote:
this is unnecessary, and out-of-date...

I collect unnecessary and out-of-date publications, you can send me a copy if you wish. :D

Author:  stephanpickering [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 19:32 GMT ]
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hollowhorn wrote:
stephanpickering wrote:
this is unnecessary, and out-of-date...

I collect unnecessary and out-of-date publications, you can send me a copy if you wish. :D


Shalom & boker tov/good morning...the chapter 1 will be finished within 2 weeks, and a copy will be on its way to you...
kol tuv, my friend...Stephan

STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  tensteel [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 20:01 GMT ]
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Incredible, Stephen...44yrs ago! I may just have to dig up (or possibly out) your early forays and do some textual comparisons. We were all so much older then. Just what has kept you going all these years? Outside of the what you would call his times of apostasy, have you ever felt that your efforts were pointless, i.e., Dylan had let you down?

Author:  stephanpickering [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 20:36 GMT ]
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tensteel wrote:
Incredible, Stephen...44yrs ago! I may just have to dig up (or possibly out) your early forays and do some textual comparisons. We were all so much older then. Just what has kept you going all these years? Outside of the what you would call his times of apostasy, have you ever felt that your efforts were pointless, i.e., Dylan had let you down?


Shalom & Boker tov, tensteel...what has kept you going? No, I have never felt the research was 'pointless': the study of Kabbalah has been with me since late 1964...and, from ca. 2008 when my wife perished in my arms, there have been 2 overlapping book projects...one on kabbalah (nearly 400pp of hand-written/typed mss.), one on Bob/Shabtai...both overlapping and sharing beds. Bob/Shabtai has never 'let you [me] down'...late 1978 to his return to Yerusalaim in September 1983: he betrayed primarily himself...and then there was the intervention of Howard Rutman and, of all people, his mother, plus the personal contacts of the Rebbe z"l in Crown Heights (and his emissaries In Minnesota and Karloffornia)...The main project early on was my annotated concordance...a project built on a comparison of the same symbols in Midrash and Kabbalah, using the work of R. Louis Ginsberg z"l for Midrash, and Reb Scholem's Zohar concordance...I gave it up...this was before the rise of computers...I have been thinking of resurrecting it, but it would take at least 3 people full-time examining all known Bob/Shabtai texts since 1962 and their textual variants (and, no, the overpriced rip-off of Christopher Ricks &c is not the place to start).

And, of course: another motivation is the senseless, vituperative antisemitism encountered in all but a few 'Dylanology' works, a profound, persistent ignorance of Hebrew/Aramaic sources...this for me is a motiveless malignancy...remember, my friend: Torah is actually not to be read as a 'text', but sung...I have always urged those interested in Bob/Shabtai's performed words to seek out the stunning achievements of Reb Everett Fox, who has taken the Hebrew/Aramaic Torah, and re/translated all of them...his scholarship is brilliant, capturing the nuances of the Hebrew/Aramaic that, to be honest, brings chills to me when I compare texts to Bob/Shabtai...Everett (who I first read in 1972 when he sent me an early translation of Bere'shit published in Response, which is sitting near me as I type) sings each line of Torah as a 'test'...

Everett Fox, ed./trans., 1995. The five books of Moses. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. A new translation with introductions, commentary, & notes (Schocken Books), 1-1024

Everett Fox, ed./trans., 2014. The early prophets. Joshua, Judges, Samuel, & Kings. A new translation with introductions, commentary, & notes (Schocken Books), 1-843

It is worth it, primarily because Bob Dylan/Shabtai Zisel is the most important post-Shoah Yehu'dit poet/shaman...and deserves better than the knuckle-walkers you and I have both met here...

Kol tuv...Stephan

STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  tensteel [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 21:24 GMT ]
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Kept me going? Who else is like unto him? Some may be better at some things, some undeniably worse, but who else is like this phenomenon Dylan? It was Dylan that made me want to explore the roots of folk music (not Ochs, or Seeger, or Peter Paul and Mommy), it was Dylan who made me care about Rimbaud and the Beats and Blake (despite having a degree in English Lit), yes it was Dylan that led me to my pedestrian at best explorations into Kabbalistic writings and the Midrash and Zohar, hell-led me to learn to play the guitar and piano...and so much more. A lot of water under that bridge, and a lot of other stuff too.

Author:  stephanpickering [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 22:50 GMT ]
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Tensteel...for you:


'Poetry, in a general sense, may be defined to be the expression of the imagination; and poetry is connate with the origin of man. Man is an instrument over which a series of external and internal impressions are driven, like the alternations of an everchanging wind over an Aeolian lyre, which move it by their motion to ever-changing melody. But there is a principle within the human being, and perhaps within all sentient beings, which acts otherwise than in the lyre, and produces not melody alone, but harmony, by an internal adjustment of the sounds or motions thus excited to the impressions which excite them...'
-- Percy Shelley, 1821. In defense of poetry


And...sitting in the audience in 1966, this is what I distinctly heard 20 feet away...

'The highway is for gamblers, better use your sins...'

Let me give you a brief example from a paragraph I am working on, relating how in 'One Too Many Mornings', Bob/Shabtai deliberately uses a Torah allusion (predictably missed), when he speaks of two individuals having an ontological 'side'. In Hebrew, mi-zeh is the same word for 'this side', 'that side'. my side, your side. This play-on-words, as he well knew, comes from the appearance of Golyat (a word, interestingly enough, which can mean 'soothsayer') in 1 Shemu'el 17.3). The text speaks of the Philistines mi-zeh/this side, Yisra'el/mi-zeh, that side, 'With the ravine between them [beineiyhem], and the man of the space-between came out [ish-beinayim'. That is the mystery: what is the space-between?

STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  hollowhorn [ Thu May 21st, 2015, 23:21 GMT ]
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stephanpickering wrote:
when my wife perished in my arms,

Aw, Stephan, I'm really sorry to read that, you were both far too young to suffer such a parting.

Warmest Wishes,
Robert.

Author:  Richard--W [ Mon June 8th, 2015, 20:14 GMT ]
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Johnnie Ray wrote:
He wrote a couple of books in the 70s that are now out of print. I don't know if the books are any good, but I do like Google because you can find out stuff like this really easily http://www.google.com/

Stephen Pickering Bob Dylan Approximately: A Portrait of the Jewish Poet in search of God: A Midrash. David McKay Co Inc New York 1975.

Stephen Pickering
Bob Dylan Tour 1974. Aptos, Cal. 1974

Your zine is priced at $94.00 here http://www.musicstack.com/item/14776059 ... memoration but don't expect to get anywhere near that on eBay. I'll give you $5 for it and then charge you $10 for all this research I'm doing for you. So you owe me $5 and the magazine :P



I've had those books for decades.

I moved out of a large house into a house half the size and there isn't enough wall space to shelve all my music books. Then there is the question of what more can I gain from all these old books. That time has come and gone. I'd rather use the available space to house the music. So I might thin out my Dylan library including all the early Stephan Pickerings and Paul Williams (and I'm in a couple of the Williams books). Ebay maybe, or amazon marketplace.

Author:  hollowhorn [ Mon June 8th, 2015, 23:18 GMT ]
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I'm sure you could sell a lot of them here when your list is ready.

Author:  dharma.wheel [ Tue June 9th, 2015, 00:57 GMT ]
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the senseless, vituperative antisemitism encountered in all but a few 'Dylanology' works, a profound, persistent ignorance of Hebrew/Aramaic sources...this for me is a motiveless malignancy...remember, my friend:


OMG, this nasty, mean, --totally wrong-- insult to those who are in fellowship with you, SP, is the most sweeping erroneous neurotically high-minded generalizationship I have ever heard.

SP, I don’t know Bob very well, but I when I listen to his music, I can hear his soul, and what I hear is a voice that would condemn you for saying this.

Your obsession has nothingto do with the point, his music. You may call yourself a scholar. I call you a bigot.

You’ve got issues, man. I hope you get a little clarity before you die, because you are missing out on life.

Author:  stephanpickering [ Tue June 9th, 2015, 01:35 GMT ]
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dharma.wheel wrote:
the senseless, vituperative antisemitism encountered in all but a few 'Dylanology' works, a profound, persistent ignorance of Hebrew/Aramaic sources...this for me is a motiveless malignancy...remember, my friend:


OMG, this nasty, mean, --totally wrong-- insult to those who are in fellowship with you, SP, is the most sweeping erroneous neurotically high-minded generalizationship I have ever heard.

SP, I don’t know Bob very well, but I when I listen to his music, I can hear his soul, and what I hear is a voice that would condemn you for saying this.

Your obsession has nothingto do with the point, his music. You may call yourself a scholar. I call you a bigot.

You’ve got issues, man. I hope you get a little clarity before you die, because you are missing out on life.


Shalom & Erev tov, dharma...thank you for the clarification(s)...I was offering an observation I have often made in my writings since 1970, and it is one I do not retract. I just returned -- to offer a high-minded generalisationship -- from saying evening prayers with other Yehu'dim (female and male), to offer my joyous thanks to the Shekhinah...this gives me profound ontological clarity...again, thank you -- sometimes being an equal-opportunity offender is necessary for dialogue...I am reminded of Maurus from the 3rd century CE: Habent sua fasa libelli...
Kol tuv/be well, dharma...STEPHAN
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  GoinToAcapulco [ Tue June 9th, 2015, 04:09 GMT ]
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stephanpickering wrote:
tensteel wrote:
And, of course: another motivation is the senseless, vituperative antisemitism encountered in all but a few 'Dylanology' works, a profound, persistent ignorance of Hebrew/Aramaic sources...this for me is a motiveless malignancy...remember, my friend: Torah is actually not to be read as a 'text', but sung...I have always urged those interested in Bob/Shabtai's performed words to seek out the stunning achievements of Reb Everett Fox, who has taken the Hebrew/Aramaic Torah, and re/translated all of them...his scholarship is brilliant, capturing the nuances of the Hebrew/Aramaic that, to be honest, brings chills to me when I compare texts to Bob/Shabtai...Everett (who I first read in 1972 when he sent me an early translation of Bere'shit published in Response, which is sitting near me as I type) sings each line of Torah as a 'test'...

Everett Fox, ed./trans., 1995. The five books of Moses. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. A new translation with introductions, commentary, & notes (Schocken Books), 1-1024

Everett Fox, ed./trans., 2014. The early prophets. Joshua, Judges, Samuel, & Kings. A new translation with introductions, commentary, & notes (Schocken Books), 1-843


I just want to second this endorsement of Fox's translation. It's simply the best.

Author:  stephanpickering [ Tue June 9th, 2015, 04:46 GMT ]
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Shalom & Erev tov, GoinTo...Reb Fox gave me in the summer of 1972 his translation-re/visioning of Bere'shit...I believed then, and now, his dreams are split-screen, one side English, the other Hebrew...he sings his translations until he knows they're correct, as I've mentioned here. He is, like me, a 'fanatic' for Light. This is why dharma's comments are sad. Let me quote Yisra'eli historian Micha Bar-Am:

If you're too close you lose perspective. It is not easy to be fair with the facts and keep your own convictions out of the picture. It is almost impossible to be both a participant in the events and their observer, witness, interpreter. The effort brings great frustration, and equally great reward.

I am pleased, GoinTo, you are, so to speak, a Foxite!
regards, Stephan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
STEPHAN PICKERING / Chafetz Chayim benAvraham

Author:  dharma.wheel [ Tue June 9th, 2015, 20:35 GMT ]
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Not sad, just true. But I’ve blocked your posts. So don’t bother to refer to me again.

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