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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sun June 3rd, 2012, 02:35 GMT 
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As a badly dressed old woman in a boat prepares to travel down a river, it's difficult not to see all this jubilant pageantry around Trev and his British pals as anything other than a premature celebration of Knocked Out Loaded's 26th Birthday.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sun June 3rd, 2012, 05:01 GMT 
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I have to agree. That is what the REAL celebration is about... but it does make her feel good to think its about her.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 02:16 GMT 
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Knocked Out Loaded is exactly 26 years old today!* Who can forget the date of the 21st of July 1986? Happy Birthday KOL! You have enriched the lives of everyone within the KOLLECTIVE - we love you, because you are shot through with good humour, outright brilliance, powerful personality, technically perfect pop singing, and outrageous experimentation. You've never been remastered, and I think you're the only album which is apparently only allowed one thread within which to discuss you, leading to an entirely appropriately bewildering and delightful sequence of posts. Let's just hope that Tempest is as crazy-good (and the very early indications are promising) as you are!









*Strictly speaking, I'm a week out, and the release date was actually the 14th July, but I was busy celebrating Bastille Day then by eating a steak and onion baguette.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 03:38 GMT 
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A more appropriate celebration, who can find. Given its state of genius, it appears doubtful that Knocked Out Loaded will ever be remastered. It is as we have come to know Bob Dylan, a true classic of Dylan moments and music.


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PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 03:43 GMT 
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KOL is one of my favorite Dylan records as well. Between two obvious masterpieces (BG and UYS) there is a lot to be discovered. Believe me: forget what critics say and enjoy fearlessly this one sheer gem.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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A more appropriate celebration, who can find. Given its state of genius, it appears doubtful that Knocked Out Loaded will ever be remastered. It is as we have come to know Bob Dylan, a true classic of Dylan moments and music.


Some things never need be remastered. KOL is fine as it is, you've got your Dylan moments and music just like the juicy red winter berries a starving trapper finds out in the Alaskan wilderness.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 15:25 GMT 

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Knocked Out Loaded is one of those albums that will be almost totally forgotten by history and ignored by the general public, but most serious Dylan fans should be able to find something about it to enjoy or at least appreciate. If nothing else at all, it is a piece of the larger puzzle of Bob's artistic journey, and personally I feel you can't really understand Bob's work in the '80s without studying KOL and its maligned twin, Down In The Groove. Is it a masterpiece, Southwestern or otherwise? Well, no, but it's a link in the chain between the much better Infidels and the infinitely better Oh Mercy, and as such it's worth a half-hour of your time now and then (that's the time it will take to listen to it, minus "They Killed Him," of course).

I'll admit I have a soft spot for the album that might color my views -- KOL was only the second Dylan album I bought as a new release (having been introduced to Bob at age 17 by "Positively 4th Street" (on the radio), Biograph (mind-blowing), and Empire Burlesque (head-scratching). The week after KOL came out, my family was on vacation and got stranded at a service station with a broken down car; this gave me the chance to listen to Bob's latest several times uninterrupted. I'm unable to hear any of KOL's songs without thinking of that day at least briefly -- the memories are fond only because of that album.

On the other hand, I also have a very powerful memory that biases me AGAINST Knocked Out Loaded. The same summer that the album came out (had to be June or July), Rolling Stone had a special "Summer Music" issue, and they ran a long, glowing article about how incredible the KOL sessions were. Multiple quotes from the musicians and witnesses about how Bob was on fire, Bob was "back" and it was like the '60s all over again. After KOL was released, these same people were left to shake their heads wistfully and mutter about how Bob was a mystery, this wasn't how they remembered it, etc. So I think it's basically a wash in terms of my own objectivity -- I'm fond of several of the tracks (perhaps unreasonably so), but I can't forget that it was also another blown opportunity, one that I'm still waiting for The Bootleg Series to address.

Anyway, the music. "You Wanna Ramble" isn't a great performance of this song, but it serves as a statement of purpose, and we know quickly that this won't be "Empire Burlesque Pt. 2." (I learned later, of course, that a few tracks dated back to the EB sessions, but that's besides the point.) "Precious Memories" is pleasant enough, and "They Killed Him" is oddly fascinating (not in a good way), and "Driftin' Too Far From Shore" reeks of EB and the 1980s, but those are the low points for me. I've always loved "Maybe Someday" -- yes, it's quite "'80s" but it has a lot of energy and a pretty passionate vocal from Bob. "Got My Mind Made Up" is a great song, although at the time I was a little sad for Bob that he seemed to need Tom Petty to write a great song. No such reservations anymore; it's just a great song.

But my favorite songs on KOL, mirroring many here, are "Brownsville Girl" and "Under Your Spell." The former is a classic, albeit a deeply flawed one. If Sony gave me the power to remix ONE track from Bob's entire catalog, it would be "Brownsville Girl" -- I'd tone down the reverb, bring Bob's voice up a bit, and eliminate some of the excess caterwauling of the over-exuberant backup singers. I prefer the sound of "New Danville Girl" (outtake from the EB sessions), but I prefer the lyrics as they ended up on "Brownsville Girl," so I guess I'm stuck with it. I read somewhere that it was remixed for the Dylan greatest-hits comp, but I don't hear much (if any) difference. It's impossible to figure out what Sam Shepard contributed to the song; it all sounds like pure Dylan to me.

The latter is just one of those songs you love with your entire heart, and it just doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or how the empirical evidence of its "greatness" doesn't warrant your love. "Under Your Spell" is the final song on Knocked Out Loaded, and it leaves you with a sweet, warm feeling about an album that, honestly, should probably leave you disappointed or even a little angry. But there's something about this song that I can't shake, to paraphrase, and I remain under its spell 26 years later. The lines that stick with me are: "I'd like to help you / but I'm in a bit of a jam / I'll call you tomorrow / if there's phones where I am" and "But I'll see you later, I will survive / You'll never get rid of me as long as you're alive" -- Bob always had a way of making devotion seem a little menacing. And of course, because he's Bob, he throws a bit of apocalypse towards the end -- "Maybe next time I'll let the dead bury the dead" and then leaves you with the hope that he won't "die of thirst two feet from the well." Wow.

Back in 1986, despite everything I wrote above, I knew that KOL was a weak album, following another weak album (Empire Burlesque), and I spent the following year desperately waiting for what turned out to be ANOTHER weak album (Down In The Groove). I wondered if I could be a fan of a guy who didn't seem to care anymore, or if I should just go back and focus on the glory years, enjoying music I could only appreciate second-hand, never knowing what it was like to be there when it was new and electric. My patience would be rewarded in 1989, when Oh Mercy blew my mind and renewed my faith in Bob Dylan as a continuing artist. Since then, my appreciation for the "dark times" of the '80s has grown, kind of like how when you marry the right gal, you stop resenting all the earlier girlfriends and start appreciating the experience instead. Knocked Out Loaded will never be a "good" album in conventional terms, but it is an important one, if only because it left him deep in a ditch that he'd have to work hard to climb out of.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 15:41 GMT 
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Nice write up Sean, i really enjoyed that.

For me, as KOL is the only of the wildly available albums i have yet to get on vinyl - and the only album i haven't heard in it's entirety :shock: - as such, it is still the Holy Grail in terms wild expectations for me. the readings and measures i've observed about it seem reverent, diabolical, bipolar, platectonic, and a few other shaky terms i've not yet been able to verbalize.

right now, and whenever this thread pops up, my mouth starts watering and i consider a trip to a local record store to end my salivating. but since all my average quality average dylan releases have been replaced each time i've found a copy in better shape, i'm holding off on this one to find a copy that doesn't have Brownsville Girl worn down to a rut. Finding an album that hasn't had that happened to it is a quest indeed!

Onward Indiana!


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Sat July 21st, 2012, 15:46 GMT 
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Knocked Out Loaded will never be a "good" album in conventional terms, but it is an important one, if only because it left him deep in a ditch that he'd have to work hard to climb out of.
Deep in a ditch?! This album has mountaintop experiences galore and reveals the lengths to which Dylan would go to expand his musical horizons... no other album in his catalogue can compare. For his boldness alone, I consider it top shelf material.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Mon July 23rd, 2012, 16:54 GMT 
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seanmurd wrote:
Knocked Out Loaded will never be a "good" album in conventional terms, but it is an important one, if only because it left him deep in a ditch that he'd have to work hard to climb out of.
Deep in a ditch?! This album has mountaintop experiences galore and reveals the lengths to which Dylan would go to expand his musical horizons... no other album in his catalogue can compare. For his boldness alone, I consider it top shelf material.


I have a very nice vinyl rip that I'm currently listening too. PM for such greatness.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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Untrodden Path wrote:
seanmurd wrote:
Knocked Out Loaded will never be a "good" album in conventional terms, but it is an important one, if only because it left him deep in a ditch that he'd have to work hard to climb out of.
Deep in a ditch?! This album has mountaintop experiences galore and reveals the lengths to which Dylan would go to expand his musical horizons... no other album in his catalogue can compare. For his boldness alone, I consider it top shelf material.

That's cute, but I think my post is evidence enough that I have an appreciation for the album, without resorting to tongue-in-cheek hyperbole.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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seanmurd wrote:
I have an appreciation for the album, without resorting to tongue-in-cheek hyperbole.


I'm going to make you a member of the KOLLECTIVE anyway!


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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Trev wrote:
seanmurd wrote:
I have an appreciation for the album, without resorting to tongue-in-cheek hyperbole.


I'm going to make you a member of the KOLLECTIVE anyway!

I'm honored, to be sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Thu September 13th, 2012, 14:47 GMT 
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Do members of the KOLLECTIVE agree that "Knocked Out Loaded" is still a superior album than "Tempest"? :)


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Thu September 13th, 2012, 15:39 GMT 
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No


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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Yes... but it may be a bit unfair.

I've not listened to Tempest yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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The above two posts prove we are not in agreement.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Thu September 13th, 2012, 16:04 GMT 
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Then it appears the solution is for YOU to change your mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Thu September 13th, 2012, 17:35 GMT 
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No, I like Tempest way better than KOL.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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Then it appears the solution is for YOU to change your mind.

I nominate that for the post of the week!


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Fri September 14th, 2012, 02:17 GMT 
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Only if you can assure me that your love for Knocked Out Loaded is sincere and will never waiver... 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Fri September 14th, 2012, 02:53 GMT 
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I have always loved it.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Fri September 14th, 2012, 04:36 GMT 
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You have my support for President of the Australian Chapter of Knocked Out Loaded KOLLECTIVE.


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
PostPosted: Fri September 14th, 2012, 05:42 GMT 
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This has to be the worst record ever released from a popular artist, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Knocked Out Loaded - Southwestern Masterpiece
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Soft spot for this album. Anything with Brownsville Girl by default is got something going on--and I enjoy the rest. It's warm, and it let's you in (unlike the, say, Infidels).

Am I the first to say that it is Gregory Peck on the album cover.

No? Okay, I'll get my coat.


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