Expecting Rain

HE DIDN'T! He was taking the piss. I'm sure of it. Listen to how he says it. I'm not denying his masonic / esoteric leanings, but there's much more to it...

much more than meets the third eye

good examples gueenjane. and I agree w/shoeless.

I really dont know much of anything about Masons, per se. I used to think they were pretty harmless (albeit a bit wierd) until I found they were/are connected to The Illuminati. Its difficult to imagine that Bob wld be on the lower tiers of any kind of organization is this world, so to me, the idea that he is a willing participant in such an organization is a bit scary ... but hey, its his life (hopefully).

I try to keep Bob and his poetry separate as much as possible altho that is certainly a hard thing to do. The whole Mason connection is interesting, and puts another layer of depth into the "occult" Dylan ...

I do think that Bob's poetry does qualify, at times, as being prophetic (even with your narrow definition) ... "Hard Rain" ... "All Along the Watchtower" perhaps -- "When the Ship Comes", "Its Alright Ma" maybe even "Masters of War"... and the list goes on. It is my firm opinion that these songs were not written in a state of mental clarity -- and it is likely that Bob will not, would not, perhaps cannot, and likely should not, ever explain them. It is certainly understandable that he would deny that he ever intended to write prophesy or that considers himself to be a prophet.

and your point about poets and other artists as visionaries is well taken. Its a process that people who are not "artists" in this sense perhaps cannot understand. I think of artists as the "antennae" of the race. As such, their works are coveted, stolen, usurped, hidden, rewritten, manipulated, and more by those who seek to rule this world. The artists themselves are also often in jeopardy and if they cannot be bought and sold, or manipulated, they are often drummed into oblivion. To think that Bob might have placed himself in jeopardy (back to the the 'sign of distress') thru his ability to prophesy in his poetry is not unthinkable.

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An amusing read, this thread.

How do you join that group who wear the fezes and ride those tiny little motorcycles?

Mason died on Monday
We bricked him in the wall
All his children grew and grew
They never grew so tall before
They may never grow so tall again

We dug him up on tuesday
He'd hardly aged a day
Taught us all we ever knew
We never knew so much before
We may never know so much again

Mason was a mighty man
A mighty man was he
All he said:when I'm dead and gone
don't you weap for me

The wall collapsed on Wednesday
We chalked it up to fate
All his children ran and hid
We never hid so well before
Swore we'd never show our face again

Thursday came and Friday
With fires tall and bright
Mason's children cooked the stew
and cleaned up when the feast was through
Swore we'd never had such times before

Take me to the Reaper man
To pay back what was loaned
If he's in some other land
Write it off as stoned

Mason was a mighty man
A mighty man was he
All he said: when I'm dead and gone
don't you weep for me

You mean cardinals? Step one, become a catholic.

Step two, play "hide the rosary" with the alter boys.

Oops. Freudian typo, LJ?

So were both my grandfathers (well actually one never made it in as he used the money given to him by his father to join on drinks, horse betting and a night on the town). But the other one was denied admittance for years, as his wife and children were Catholic. I don't know what their stance is today, but I'm pretty sure at one time, they wanted to keep certain people out.

Kiss my spell check.

"God's Banker" Roberto Calvi was found hanging under London's Blackfriars Bridge in 1982. Not suicide, but murder.

The Masons or the Jesuits?

the lutherans never give up

Occultist conspiracy theories divine arcane symbolism in the manner of Roberto Calvi's murder:

The Hanged Man (Tarot Card)

Water.

The Black Friars (religious order of monks).

Where's Dan Brown when you need him?

All that is rubbish for one simple reason.

Masons are allowed to show the sign of distress only in extraordinary circumstances, aren´t they? What danger should Dylan see himself in after just another show??? I too believe, he has dealt with those symbolism and spirituality, just as sincere as he has dealt with marxism and born-again christianity. But he is too much an individuality as to submit himself to an archaic, hierarchical organization und to obey rules, I don´t believe that. And if, there would be nothing bad about it. Masons planing to take over the world is just a myth... Thats more or less just games for elder boys.

No. He's a Mormon in this dress.

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O-ah, It is under/or in my recollection that he has performed this Grand Hailing Sign of Distress once before..more or less coincidentally in the turbulent Benzedrine uppers-n-downers year of the 1966!

May my mania-prognosis serve as Educational to some or one, even..

And they faked the moon landing, too!

My mom was in Eastern Star as a teenager. She thought the whole thing was funny!:)

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

There is nothing satanic about the Freemasons I happen to be on the Womens side of things the only thing is to Belong you have to have a realtive that is in the organization they are the Shrines that is the highest order.. They go to Shriners Hospitals and care for Children with little or not way or getting an operation....that is they tend to the needy which is a good thing... There is a Shrines Hospital where I live Get a Grip people there whoever made up the Skill and cross Bones....Probably wanted in but could not because they were not related to someone close And was pissed and made this website to get even......nothing satanic here.....

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson was a Freemason??? If I still had my pamphel I would spell them all out Great men from society join it is very Religious and not in a satanic way

Christopher Wren was also reportedly a Mason. As was Sir Isaac Newton & Francis Bacon. Interesting thread, tho I'm not really too familiar with the whole Masonic Temple thing.