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 Post subject: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:06 GMT 
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This came across my desk in my role as a music librarian rather than a Dylan fan (of which, of course, I am both), but it does offer a slightly different slant on that daft release of 4 CDRs.

http://www.medialawbytesandpieces.com/2 ... _213142359


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:25 GMT 
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"And many argue that restricting the public’s access to recorded works for another 20 years will hinder creativity."

I have no idea why this is argued. It makes no sense to me.

Look at Public Domain movies. Most are in deplorable condition. The majority of master recordings of music are at risk if the copyright and, by extension, the profit motive are lost.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:30 GMT 
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LOL thats some article. lotta studies

seems to me that the bootlegs being put out are way more expensive than the cds from the so called greedy companies and artists. and its not like they do anything with the money but spend it on themselves. :D i dont think they give it to any artists or sent it to the charities. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:31 GMT 
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Frank Sinatra and Miles Davis: ageing superstars? Shome mishtake shurely! :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:36 GMT 
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aging, decaying.... same thing!


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:39 GMT 
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the thing was obviously written by bootleggers. i dont understand big uproar because the record company and aritst wanna get paid for their stuff, and sell the cds for lets say 10 squid. big uproard greedy SOBS. LOL
then some dh bootegger who been robbing all their lives, makes a copy offa the 10 squid cd adds a couple of tracks he robbed off the internet, puts on a vinyl and sells or 50 squid, pays nobody, wrote nothing recorded nothing. probably been robbing all his life. and hes a big hero. i dont get the whole thing. :D

people line up to buy the 50 squid 'artefact'. and whine about the 10 squid one. LOL i dont know how any of this promotes any new artists, who probably never will even see the inside of a studio, only person it profits is the robbers.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
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i paid my way through university bootlegging cassettes of bands nobody now gives a flying duck about - many of them felt it was a huge compliment and visited my weekly stall, i always gave them a half price deal 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 18:49 GMT 
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how may squid did dr feelgood fetch? :shock:
did you donate to the new aritist or give to charity?

i have a notion that many a bob basher got put thru oxford by putting out the 40 squid bootlegs on bob himself, and now they bash him. now they bite the hand that fed them. i bet some are reading here now :D

robbing PROMOTES creativity. there must be a sucker born every minute.LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Tue February 12th, 2013, 22:44 GMT 
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And so......

If, as the article implies, this was also a "cash grab" by Sony, well why didn't they press up 50,000 of these and sell them all for $50? Hmmm?


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PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 02:59 GMT 
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goombay wrote:
how may squid did dr feelgood fetch? :shock:
did you donate to the new aritist or give to charity?

i have a notion that many a bob basher got put thru oxford by putting out the 40 squid bootlegs on bob himself, and now they bash him. now they bite the hand that fed them. i bet some are reading here now :D

robbing PROMOTES creativity. there must be a sucker born every minute.LOL

Dr Feelgood boots were in the 2-3 quid range in slimtim's time is my guess...


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
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by coincidence i happen to have a great Charity open for contributions, myself. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 07:17 GMT 
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Harry Truman wrote:
Look at Public Domain movies. Most are in deplorable condition.


Would those movies be much better off, though, rotting away in some studio's vaults (and celluloid that old really does rot)? Most of those films in disrepair don't tend to be beloved classics. The ones that are (Night of the Living Dead, Metropolis, A Trip To The Moon) tend to receive state-of-the-art restorations despite their PD status.


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'The Who's Robert Daltrey' haha (the link still takes you to an article about Roger Daltrey).


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 16:08 GMT 
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Warren Peace wrote:
Harry Truman wrote:
Look at Public Domain movies. Most are in deplorable condition.


Would those movies be much better off, though, rotting away in some studio's vaults (and celluloid that old really does rot)? Most of those films in disrepair don't tend to be beloved classics. The ones that are (Night of the Living Dead, Metropolis, A Trip To The Moon) tend to receive state-of-the-art restorations despite their PD status.


There are countless great PD movies. Look into it. Many "beloved" classics are those that ave the most commercial appeal. There was a period where companies didn't forsee a secondary market and so tons of movies didn't have copyrights renewed. From there, the original elements decayed and bit by bit they've gone away.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
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Harry Truman wrote:
There are countless great PD movies. Look into it.


Absolutely. I listed three of 'em right there...

Harry Truman wrote:
Many "beloved" classics are those that ave the most commercial appeal. There was a period where companies didn't forsee a secondary market and so tons of movies didn't have copyrights renewed. From there, the original elements decayed and bit by bit they've gone away.


I don't see what that has to do with public domain, though. I'd say it has more to do with preservation being a relatively recent concern -- even the original Star Wars negative had turned BLUE when they dug that out for restoration twenty odd years ago. A Trip To The Moon's BD has a great feature about the titanic efforts to restore it -- a lone surviving print had formed into crystal (!!!). A lot of 50-year-old + celluloid is lost or in disrepair because people just didn't think about how to store this stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
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aint none of the bob material going to disintegrate. all bob material has been digitized it dont need protecting.
just because something is in the PD dont mean Sony has to open up the vault for total strangers to make copies. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
PostPosted: Fri February 15th, 2013, 16:47 GMT 
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Warren Peace wrote:
Harry Truman wrote:
There are countless great PD movies. Look into it.


Absolutely. I listed three of 'em right there...

Harry Truman wrote:
Many "beloved" classics are those that ave the most commercial appeal. There was a period where companies didn't forsee a secondary market and so tons of movies didn't have copyrights renewed. From there, the original elements decayed and bit by bit they've gone away.


I don't see what that has to do with public domain, though. I'd say it has more to do with preservation being a relatively recent concern -- even the original Star Wars negative had turned BLUE when they dug that out for restoration twenty odd years ago. A Trip To The Moon's BD has a great feature about the titanic efforts to restore it -- a lone surviving print had formed into crystal (!!!). A lot of 50-year-old + celluloid is lost or in disrepair because people just didn't think about how to store this stuff.



And Lucas would never have spent mIllions of dollars on restoring Star Wars if he didn't have the copyright. Only a handfule of movies in the public domain have been properly restored or ever will be. All of those are ones with large enough commercial appeal to sell enough on day 1 to make it worth putting out. You make a fine case for only the BIG HITS being the artistic triumphs worthy of preservation.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting legal angle on the 4CD Copyright set
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thanks for posting that, stephenoxford. very interesting. i had a feeling, given the name "copyright extension" that sony was releasing it for just that very reason: to make sure the copyright - & their share of the pie - was protected and no money was lost that they could make.

why they didn't print 50,000 copies? because they released it only to protect their copyright in the EU, to make $ of publishing royalties, NOT to make money on the record itself. so, only need to release a very limited number of records in order to meet the letter of the law.


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