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 Post subject: Blood on the Tracks / Desire
PostPosted: Thu December 9th, 2004, 19:25 GMT 

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Which is better?


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PostPosted: Thu December 9th, 2004, 21:46 GMT 

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Tough question but "Desire" is my all-time favorite and the non-plus ultra. I would give "Desire" 10 of 10 and "Blood on the tracks" 9,5 of 10.


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PostPosted: Thu December 9th, 2004, 23:09 GMT 
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BOTT hands down. Better stories, subtly personal, not overblown like Black Diamond Bay/Joey or trite like Hurricane/Romance In Durango. BOTT is more timeless, well written. The original Blood On the Tapes recordings are better. Desire is good, but it's not a Dylan masterpiece at all.


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PostPosted: Thu December 9th, 2004, 23:12 GMT 

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Right now I'd say "Desire" but only because I've totally over played BotT. I'd say their songs are equally good but as an album BotT is more satisfying.


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PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 00:24 GMT 
How the hell do you answer that one?
well i'v been thinkin' and doin' a bit more thinkin' and i'v desieded that i can't deside. It totlay depends on the mood your in.
I love both of them fantastic, every track on each one is fanstaic and perfect. sound, poetry, Timeing.

so thats my coclusion mucks you up a bit don't it . :D :D


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PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 14:25 GMT 

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blood on the tracks is in my top 5 albums of all time. Desire isn't.

Desire is a fine record - in my opinion desire/bott mark the last time before 1997/2001 dylan released back to back great albums. But so little compares to the rich language, the vast spectrum of life and emotions in Blood on the Tracks...not even Desire.


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PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 14:37 GMT 
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On BOTT every song is indispensible and on the right place. One of his two albums where I don't want to change a thing. the second is BoB.
Desire is not one of those. for starters it has the awful "mozambique" on it.


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PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 15:27 GMT 
First round, in the red corner the songs of Desire, in the blue corner the songs of Blood.
The bell is rung….

‘Isis’ and ‘Tangled’ are at each others throats right away, both moving slow but throwing heavy punches. ‘Isis’ places 5x5 punches on ‘Tangled’s’ chin, while ‘Tangled’ goes for the gut.
‘Simple Twist of Fate’ is beating the crap out of ‘Mozambique’ – no, really, it’s a bloody massacre.
‘Black Diamond Bay’ has ‘Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of hearts’ in a wicked armlock – no contest there.
‘Joey’ tries to sneak up on everybody else, even the songs from his own corner.
‘Idiot wind’ stares ‘Sara’ down till it’s a whimpering mess, then goes for ‘Oh Sister’


Round two anyone?


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PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 16:10 GMT 
'One More Cup Of Coffee' steps into the ring with ' Buckets of Rain' - Buckets of Rains' lip quivers, its legs tremble and then it pisses buckets of same.


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 Post subject: re:
PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 16:27 GMT 
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for starters it has the awful "mozambique" on it.


you, sir, have lost your mind.


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 Post subject: desire / blood
PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 22:31 GMT 
no comparrison blood on the tracks
heartfelt genuine emotion
except for lily.rosmary&the jack of hearts
simple twist of fate gives me gooseflesh


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 Post subject: desire / blood
PostPosted: Fri December 10th, 2004, 22:31 GMT 
no comparrison blood on the tracks
heartfelt genuine emotion
except for lily.rosmary&the jack of hearts
simple twist of fate gives me gooseflesh


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 Post subject: BOOT or Desire
PostPosted: Sat December 11th, 2004, 23:42 GMT 
There are this two songs on BOOT that I don't like too much: "You're gonna make me lonesome when you go" and "Meet me in the morning". What do you think about the album "Blood On The Desire":

1. Tangled Up In Blue
2. One More Cup Of Coffee
3. You're A Big Girl Now
4. Idiot Wind
5. Oh, Sister
6. If You See Her, Say Hello
7. Romance in Durango
8. Shelter From The Storm
9. Black Diamond Bay
10. Sara


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PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 03:32 GMT 
Hmmm the only song that rubs me a bit up the wrong way is lily rosmary and the jack of harts but that is probaly only cose i haven't heard it enough. i realy like your gona make me lonsome when ya go.

i don't no when ever i hear those albums they make my legs quiver and butterflys in my stumuck. they are so full of emostions and each song has there own meaning to each persons in there life let alone what they realy ment to bob at the time. :D :D


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PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 05:05 GMT 

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I fully believe that Meet Me in the Morning is the best track on Blood on the Tracks

Well maybe not, but more and more it's the one I enjoy the most

Hurricane is probably Bob's worst song

I'd say BOTT no contest. He should have made Desire a live album of RTR performances. The performances on Desire are lackluster to say the most


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PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 16:44 GMT 

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Please what? "Hurricane" is probably one of his best songs. Great lyric and music. One of my favorites...


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PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 17:26 GMT 

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Every great Dylan song stands up to repeated listening. I loved it at first but it's gotten to the point where I don't even play Desire cause that snorefest is the first song. Not to mention of course it's totally wrong...


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PostPosted: Sun December 12th, 2004, 23:29 GMT 

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this convo is like comparing black and white


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PostPosted: Mon December 13th, 2004, 17:15 GMT 
"Hurricane" is a great song. Bob is a very good storyteller and the music is so powerful. Unfortunately, the song lost it's actuality. I'd love to hear it live, but it would be really stupid for Bob to sing how "Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten-foot cell" nowadays. Maybe he should rearrange the lyrics. He did this with some other songs, though. Why not with Hurricane?


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 Post subject: BOTT v. Desire
PostPosted: Mon December 13th, 2004, 17:22 GMT 
The boxing metaphor is one way to compare, but another is to measure them against a standard of "great album."

Both have great sound, and are masterfully produced. The instruments--Bob's voice included--are tuned to perfectly complement the words. On the negative side to both: both suffer from comparisons to "previously unreleased versions." Desire suffers when Live75 is nearby, because its low-key, rambled, sultry Isis seems muted or even flat next to the electrical storm of Live75. Likewise, Idiot Wind from the released BOTT sounds hysterical and pointlessly obscure next to the somber, Poe-esque despair haunting the unreleased version.

Both feature tremendous lyrics, using a style which was completely new for Dylan, not simply a retread of his former ouevre. Desire loses a point here for the unknown quantity that is Jacques Levy. We'll never know whose brushstrokes were whose.

Bob's singing is outstanding on both records. The voice of Planet Waves and Before the Flood--that "I'm a Rock Icon" voice--is long gone, replaced brilliantly with a mature, muscular, courageous voice. A voice with less edge and more soul, more experience, more certainty--and less. Desire has both Bob's greatest performance (Coffee) and his worst (Joey), where BOTT is solid throughout, from the opening rasp of TUIB to the laconic stoicism of Buckets.

Both were successful. TUIB has proved to have greater legs than Hurricane, the movie notwithstanding. Neither record, however, would be considered Bob's biggest commercial product. Neither record resulted in a big cover, either, though covers have been done of several of these songs. (It is worth noting that Desire's "sound" is the foundation of John Mellancamp's entire success. The Jury is still out on whether this is good or bad.) Hurricane suffers under the weight of history. It is a song that no longer needs to be sung, on one level.

Both are unified. BOTT's common thread is lost love and the universe of pain, regret, longing and anger that accompany that great undoing. Desire is a travelogue, taking us from a New Jersey night to Black Diamond Bay to Red Hook to Lily Pond Lane. There are journeys within journeys, here.

Frankly, no argument for my personal choice, Blood on the Tracks, would be enough to sway anyone who prefers Desire. Like trying to decide between BIABH and Highway 61 Revisited (or between Down in the Groove and Knocked Out Loaded) there just isn't enough contrast to make a strong argument one way or the other.

frillbob

PS I feel I must address Mozambique. Though the song is fluffy and light, that was clearly Bob's intent. In the spectrum of Desire's travels, it is a breath of ocean air. The historical fact of Mozambique's tragic social situation in 1975 is unfortunate, indeed, but does it really detract from this breezy beach number? Only to the unrepentantly serious.


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PostPosted: Mon December 13th, 2004, 23:57 GMT 
i would have to say that the unreleased blood on the tracks make one is better than both the released bott and or desire...bob recorded blood one when the songs ment something to him...this lp is all about his breakup with sarah...idiot wind has diff lyrics in it on bllod one...it also is very slow...unlike the released faster version full of spit...see bob re-recorded the lp one year later...and yes one year down the track the mariage was over..that is why it sound all so much more spitfull in his delivery on the released version...regards kikodylanologist2...


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PostPosted: Tue December 14th, 2004, 06:02 GMT 
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hmmm.... tough choice. But if I could only have 1 it would probably be "Desire"... no, wait... make that "Blood On The Tracks"... no.... definitely "Desire".......

I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!11

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PostPosted: Mon December 20th, 2004, 18:42 GMT 
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And here they come...down the stretch it's Desire leading by a nose but wait, Blood On The Tracks is making a charge up the inside....they're neck and neck...and at the wire it's...........................Desire by a nose!!!


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PostPosted: Thu February 17th, 2005, 17:33 GMT 

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blood on the tracks marks an artistic rebirth in Bob.

Desire just expands on it.

Although "isis" could be the greatest song ever, blood on the tracks is much more definitive compared to desire.


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PostPosted: Thu February 17th, 2005, 23:51 GMT 

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Although BOTT has "Tangled Up In Blue" and "Idiot Wind", my favourite is "Desire". "One more Cup of Coffee" and "Sara" are one of my all time favs. The mood, the tunes, the lyrics are better than BOTT. (Just my Opinion)


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