Expecting Rain

I saw this quote today in an old Rolling Stone (October 29, 2009) from Nick Hornby, author of High Fidelity and other books, and he said this about a character in a book he had just had published and described the character as Dylanesque. "He's on the Jackson Browne-Dylan-Elvis Costello axis. I imagine that his fans are quite literate and find a lot of what he says and dodes opaque, which means rip for the decoding. There's a difference between say, Springsteen and Dylan in that way. I don't think it's possible to listen to a Springsteen album and be confused. That doesn't mean he's the lesser artist." Well it does to me! : And I wouldn't have put Jackson Browne in the axis, but Bob is opaque and that 60 Minutes clip can be interpreted in many different ways in my mind and it has been! I love that Hornby said we were literate!:lol: Love,Joanna XOXO

Agreed. None of those guys make it onto the Dylan radar screen.

get with it folks, Bob believes in the Chief Commander, not God or the Devil, either brace yourself for elimination
or else your hearts must have the courage for the changing of the guards

Shikoku, just because Bob believes in something doesn't mean we do. And how do you know what he believes in, anyway? And what's with the bracing for elimination? I do like Changing of the Guards though. I'm putting it on now, so thanks for the inspiration.

None of the Rio photos that I saw tonight showed the Eye.

This thing is so weird. I was hoping there was no eye at this tour. And yes, in Rio there was no eye. But there was a pyramid.

Do you think this has a meaning?

Maybe Bob knows the illuminati-rumours and makes some fun about it - removing the eye and adding the pyramid.

Or isn´t it a pyramid? Is it just about pulling the curtain apart. But why? You can see the tour-boxes standing in the background.

I wished the next shows there wouldn´t be a pyramid.

(& From the "new album" thread)



Looked back for when you said this, because the memory was that
you had written "Sit back and enjoy as it unfolds" which, if
taken as coyly spoken, with several dot dot dots....

Anyway, after spending so much time on ER yesterday, I
thought about it some more, and I was thinking about why
there might be so much interest/repeated reference to the eye
logo, and thinking also about the sound of some things on
the video clips from the first SA concert, the order of songs,
and your avatar, because a couple of nights ago, I was
watching a film clip about something that looked almost just
like a clear version of it - if a person was under the object,
looking up. Here's a comparison:

That's all I want to say about it, in case it happens- -but
maybe you will recognize the relationship, if my guess is
right. If not, it's a really interesting idea - related to Thinking
Outside The Box- and rewinding, so to speak.

This is all quite thought provoking and I don't have time to ponder this. A pyramid instead of an eye??? Leads me to The Illuminati and I wish it wouldn't! The funny thing is, my Father was a Mason who used to regularly go for meeting for years and I was a Rainbow Girl (an organization for daughters of Masons) and my Mother would have nothing to do with "that rubbish". The majority of our founding fathers were Masons. I know my Dad isn't evil or bad. I think it is probably Bob playing tricks on us; I knew he read some of our posts! This thread would probably interest him and give him a good laugh (I hope)! Love, Joanna XOXO

Today I read a bit about the illuminati and the all-seeing-eye. The good news: In fact, the illuminati have nothing to do with the mark 23, the pyramid or the all-seeing-eye. The illuminati were founded in my home-town (Ingolstadt/ Germany) by Adam Weishaupt and their only symbol was a owl, the so called owl of Minerva. The most famous member of the illuminati was Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. The association between the illuminati and the all-seeing-eye is the result of some novels (as is the mark 23 or the pyramid). Some rumours for example claim that the foundation of the United States goes back to illuminati-activities. In fact, the foundation of the illuminati was after the foundation of the U.S.

The all-seeing-eye is used in some German churches and chapels as a symbol for the trinity of God. For example at the dome of Aachen you can see the eye with a triangle around it.

I also could find a very, very interesting information. The eye was also used as a symbol of a synthesis between Christian concepts and concepts of the Kabbalah. For this reason it´s used at the Dreifaltigkeits-Church in Bad Teinach (Germany). Maybe this is the background for Bob to use it as a symbol of combination between his Jewish and Christian beliefs.

Very interesting Burning Spear! However, our founding fathers were into some weird stuff and clues and hidden symbols, etc. I think it is funny that Bob has changed his backdrop. WE (us on ER) were written about in an article on the main page a few weeks ago - did you guys see it? It was definitely about us wondering if Bob had sold his soul to the devil, etc. I will find it later if you didn't see it. Love, Joanna XOXOX

I missed that, Joanna! If you find it, let me know XO

Whoa. I am honored if my avatar is being compared to the Dylan Eye. I'm bummin' if it's being compared to the Masons...thanks Laughy!

I´ve never heard about that before. Theme Time Radio Hour, May,17,2006:

....Introducing Charlie Walker's "Who Will Buy the Wine," Bob Dylan says that Charlie "was a freemason, and you can tell." He then went on: "Here are some other great freemasons that come out of the Grand Ol' Opry: Roy Acuff, Eddie Arnold, Grandpa Jones, Pee-Wee King, Little Jimmy Jenkins, Roy Clark, Charlie Louvin, and Grand Ol' Opry band member Joel Edwards. They've all committed themselves to the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man by becoming Master Masons. Preach on my brothers!"....

He does their sign language.
http://dylanstubs.com/pictures/2006_Eur ... a_10s.html

I listened to that episode a while ago . I thought it was just his Dylanesque humour ! I still do ! But , a pyramid???
Anybody got a picture ?

This all is very confusing and frustrating.

Here you can see the pyramid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HDuO6pkIaU

J0hanna4Ever your father was a mason, so I think you know what you´re talking about. Do you think that Bob is actually a mason or does he just use this symbols to create some mystic around his person. Listening to the The Time Radio mason-mention it really sounds like a joke. But the sign-language-picture speaks a clear language. At this point I´m quite sure that he´s a mason, because there are too many signs. But what is beeing a mason really about? What could Bob´s intention be for joining the mason? What´s their aim or higher intention. Some people say (mainly catholics) at the end it´s a satanic organisation. Othe say it´s a very good organisation. What does your father say about that? Whar are their aims. As far as I know you have to pay for beeing a member. What´s the sence behind beeing a member? Why did your father quit, did he? Is it possible at all beeing a believing Jew or Christian (as we think of Bob) and additional beeing a mason. (Sorry for my english)

I think regarding faith, it's possible for Bob. He can be Jewish and Christian at the same time, so he can be Freemason additionally. I don't think they will deny him for that.

As far as those signals go, he's not actually supposed to do them in such a public way, is he?

that aint a pyramid, its a teepee

he can be a jokerman too

You are NOT supposed to reveal the secrets of the Masons. My Dad would never talk about it. It is the same with the Rainbow Girls. I wish I had my old books that I was given. I might ask my Dad if he has any Mason books. There is a whole ritual and higher up Masons are seated at different points in the room and it was the same with the Rainbow Girls - in fact, it might be in three places to denote the pyramid; I am trying to recall my days as one. I didn't want to join and I didn't like all the rituals and it was mostly stuck up girls who belonged, but my Dad insisted. I will try and do some research later. Sukiho, that was funny and a definite possibility! I am not sure Bob would be eligible because of his Jewish ancestry, but that may have changed and I really don't know crap about what I am saying! No, I just looked it up and he could be. They just really have to be of good character, etc. and believe in The Supreme Being. I wonder if Bob would pass the good character part! Just kidding there! Love, Joanna XOXXO P.S. I know that they were generally Christians when my Dad was an active member. Interesting thing, there are a lot of Scots and Irish Masons. I have heard many times that there is a belief that the Scots are one of the lost tribes of Judaism as are the Native Americans (that might be more of a Mormon belief though in the latter case). Bob is a jokester; that I think is a fact! Love, Joanna XOXXO

The comparison isn't about Masonic or pyramid, but it is with the Eye Logo, and shows what I saw as a similarity between your avatar (if slightly turned )and the object which could possibly be an inspiration for a new way of presenting "The Eye". ::spooky music plays::



hmm With smoke signals coming forth ?

I think it was a parted curtain, not a pyramid or triangle- and the boxes being visible were a portending ...

::music gets louder and spookier::

It was the sign to give him his payment in single dollar bills.

JP, my parents put a lot of money into a bank account and went to draw it out IN CASH to deposit in another account and cash was needed so the bank wouldn't hold the check; just because that's what they do so they can use your money to make money. Yesterday, we were told they didn't have that much money in the bank to give us; it was just a little more than $15,000. Oh, how the banks lie. Now, I have to look at Barefoot or maybe I will later - the dog (I wish it was dogs ) needs a walk. The Eye means something; that is for sure and it could be the all mighty dollar as JP said! The eye and the pyramid are both on our dollar bills! Love, Joanna XOXXO

I didn't know until now that they have a girls club, that's interesting.

Yes, and a wife's club. I can't remember the name. My Mom refused to have anything to do with it and my tenure was short in that "elite" club. It was kind of like Rock Girl meets Preppy WASP Princesses! Love, Joanna XOXOX P.S. I hated it and we would have these stupid dances where we would meet the boys' club who were all dorks!