Isn't mid-1960s Bob terribly overrated?

tellmemomma1966

eh i detect no real change from today to yesterday or the day before that

the only changes i've ever really witnessed in the sense of togetherness in this place were one day when a simple, silly thread was started by one of the posters i didn't know at all
and the day when it was deleted in a whirlwind of messy feelings, destroying the medium for some of the closest communication i've ever had with other human beings

MMD

You will.

tellmemomma1966

i think you're being alarmist
these debates happen all the time and they never resolve themselves
it'll flare up again in two weeks

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

goombay wrote:

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Yikes! MT is not a masterpiece. It's good, but BIABH, HWY61 and BoB are masterpieces. I sometimes wonder if they are overrated but then I listen to them again and I am reminded every time. Other possible masterpieces...BOTT, Freewheelin’, Times Are A-Changin’. All for different reasons.

Personal not-so-popular favs: Street Legal and Shot Of Love.

MT is 100 percent masterpiece a timeless masterpiece than will never will be duplicated in its greatness. the public clamor for it 2.5 million units, talks truth to power.

I would say that a masterpiece is an album that you maybe skip 1 or 2 songs and it has a feeling or notion behind it. I can feel the angst on BIABH...I don't feel anything when I listen to When The Deal Goes Down, Beyond The Horizon and The Levee's Gonna Break. According to my Itunes this is the first time I have listened to Levee the whole way through.

MT is a beautiful sounding album. The band sounds great and the music is pretty, I just think it is not a masterpiece.

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

goombay wrote:

Shoeless Hunter wrote:

If you swap Joey out for Abandoned Love...Desire becomes a Masterpiece.

Bootleg #8 proved to me that Oh Mercy and TOOM could have been much better. Although 2 of my favorites.

Love L&T, just think it has a few too many weaker songs…I just can’t listen to Tweedle and Mississippi has better versions (again, the damn bootlegs!!)

abandoned love in its studio form goes nowhere, thats why it was left off the record. desire is basically a demo.

I'm listening to Joey right now...it could be twice as fast and maybe would be more listenable. I just get bored. Did he ever play it to the tune of Hurricane?? That might be interesting.

I stopped at 4 minutes flat.

Now on to Abandoned Love. The style of his singing is great and he sounds like he wants to be singing this song. It's upbeat and would lift Desire instead of stop it dead in the middle of the album. Also...he wrote it.

tellmemomma1966

joey requires patience but it's a good un

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

goombay by that definition, i give you the greatest musical masterpiece yet produced by the human race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4

After the fact, I discovered that I made out with my girlfriend for the first time to this song... :oops:

tellmemomma1966

Shoeless Hunter wrote:

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

goombay by that definition, i give you the greatest musical masterpiece yet produced by the human race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4

After the fact, I discovered that I made out with my girlfriend for the first time to this song... :oops:

that's not good

you should probably go and think about your life

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

joey requires patience but it's a good un

I'm trying again...I enjoy when he mentions the accordion and then it kicks in. The story sounds cool, just the presentation is excruciating. The wailing of the word 'Joey' over and over just kills me. I like the music...faster! Come on Bobby...you too Emmylou, Scarlet, etc. whew...got through it. Still don't like it...sorry. Totally a Jacques song.

Switched to Early Roman Kings

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

that's not good

you should probably go and think about your life[/quote]

:lol:

Life's pretty good.

tellmemomma1966

Shoeless Hunter wrote:

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

joey requires patience but it's a good un

I'm trying again...I enjoy when he mentions the accordion and then it kicks in. The story sounds cool, just the presentation is excruciating. The wailing of the word 'Joey' over and over just kills me. I like the music...faster! Come on Bobby...you too Emmylou, Scarlet, etc. whew...got through it. Still don't like it...sorry. Totally a Jacques song.

Switched to Early Roman Kings

it is excruciating, that's what's good about it
tension, darling, suspense
stuff bein' all slow and full of insinuations an' shit

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

it is excruciating, that's what's good about it
tension, darling, suspense
stuff bein' all slow and full of insinuations an' shit[/quote]

Okay...round 3. I keep spacing out and imagining this...

Attachment:

Uncle-Joey-full-house.jpg

tellmemomma1966

you should probably smoke a joint, it'll make you forget about finding things boring, or about things going for too long

goombay · **Joined:** Sat April 18th, 2009, 22:24 GMT **Posts:** 4470

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I'm listening to Joey right now...it could be twice as fast and maybe would be more listenable. I just get bored. Did he ever play it to the tune of Hurricane?? That might be interesting.

I stopped at 4 minutes flat.

Now on to Abandoned Love. The style of his singing is great and he sounds like he wants to be singing this song. It's upbeat and would lift Desire instead of stop it dead in the middle of the album. Also...he wrote it.

id rather get killed a little bit at a time than all at once.

but not to worry, seems it was a flesh wound. you know how it is, when nobody pay any attention to someone then that someone gets all dramatic.

beyond the horizon and deal are two perfectly crafted tracks by bob, created by bob to complete his genre assorment that is that one of a kind record MT.

the entire desire record is a demo but its good, abandoned love its obvious why bob left it, the melody is unresolved, its a stiff recording.

Joey is a grea track, with a nice dean martin type sentiment in the music. :wink:

tellmemomma1966

desire is indeed a demo, it sounds like it was recorded in a whirlwhind of activity, in breaks between much more hectic things

oh wait it was lol

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

you should probably smoke a joint, it'll make you forget about finding things boring, or about things going for too long

...The song would be 3 days long if I did that. :cry:

tellmemomma1966

Shoeless Hunter wrote:

tellmemomma1966 wrote:

you should probably smoke a joint, it'll make you forget about finding things boring, or about things going for too long

...The song would be 3 days long if I did that. :cry:

yes but it will be a good thing

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

goombay wrote:

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I'm listening to Joey right now...it could be twice as fast and maybe would be more listenable. I just get bored. Did he ever play it to the tune of Hurricane?? That might be interesting.

I stopped at 4 minutes flat.

Now on to Abandoned Love. The style of his singing is great and he sounds like he wants to be singing this song. It's upbeat and would lift Desire instead of stop it dead in the middle of the album. Also...he wrote it.

id rather get killed a little bit at a time than all at once.

but not to worry, seems it was a flesh wound. you know how it is, when nobody pay any attention to someone then that someone gets all dramatic.

beyond the horizon and deal are two perfectly crafted tracks by bob, created by bob to complete his genre assorment that is that one of a kind record MT.

the entire desire record is a demo but its good, abandoned love its obvious why bob left it, the melody is unresolved, its a stiff recording.

Joey is a grea track, with a nice dean martin type sentiment in the music. :wink:

I tried. It didn't work. I'm just surprised that people like Joey. I have read your reasons and I just can't get into the song. I get goosebumps when I hear Abandoned Love...maybe I'm not the only one.

tellmemomma1966

i love 'em both
shoulda put both on the album

goombay · **Joined:** Sat April 18th, 2009, 22:24 GMT **Posts:** 4470

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I tried. It didn't work. I'm just surprised that people like Joey. I have read your reasons and I just can't get into the song. I get goosebumps when I hear Abandoned Love...maybe I'm not the only one.

the vocal on joey is perfect, it just flows all the way thur. desire suffers from a lack of quality musicians, bob got hoodwinked into the sound. abandoned love, golden loom all that stuff, they just couldnt deal with it.

Shoeless Hunter · **Joined:** Fri May 28th, 2010, 07:16 GMT **Posts:** 124

goombay wrote:

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I tried. It didn't work. I'm just surprised that people like Joey. I have read your reasons and I just can't get into the song. I get goosebumps when I hear Abandoned Love...maybe I'm not the only one.

the vocal on joey is perfect, it just flows all the way thur. desire suffers from a lack of quality musicians, bob got hoodwinked into the sound. abandoned love, golden loom all that stuff, they just couldnt deal with it.

If you took out the "JJOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEYYYYYY" that cracks my speakers then I would give it a 4th listen. The live sound is what gives Desire the charm that makes it an 'almost' masterpiece...it is part of the definition of 70s music. oh yeah...and replace Oh Sister with Golden Loom and throw in Rita Mae and I'm set. :wink:

goombay · **Joined:** Sat April 18th, 2009, 22:24 GMT **Posts:** 4470

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If you took out the "JJOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEYYYYYY" that cracks my speakers then I would give it a 4th listen. The live sound is what gives Desire the charm that makes it an 'almost' masterpiece...it is part of the definition of 70s music. oh yeah...and replace Oh Sister with Golden Loom and throw in Rita Mae and I'm set. :wink:

rita mae is a great track that shoulda been on the record, but golden loom is abandonded love pt 2, a very stiff recording. that was not the swinginest band bob has had. :wink:

henrypussycat

Shoeless Hunter wrote:

goombay wrote:

id rather get killed a little bit at a time than all at once.

but not to worry, seems it was a flesh wound. you know how it is, when nobody pay any attention to someone then that someone gets all dramatic.

beyond the horizon and deal are two perfectly crafted tracks by bob, created by bob to complete his genre assorment that is that one of a kind record MT.

the entire desire record is a demo but its good, abandoned love its obvious why bob left it, the melody is unresolved, its a stiff recording.

Joey is a grea track, with a nice dean martin type sentiment in the music. :wink:

I tried. It didn't work. I'm just surprised that people like Joey. I have read your reasons and I just can't get into the song. I get goosebumps when I hear Abandoned Love...maybe I'm not the only one.

Abandoned Love was a great song, just way too frank when it was recorded to ever be released. That was most of the reason for involving Levy in the other stuff, to get Dylan off dead center. The recording is quite good and Dylan delivers the lyric with aplomb. It's no rougher than JWH songs. Joey is not one of Dylan's more intelligent songs; I blame Levy!

P. Pittsburgh Joe · **Joined:** Sun March 22nd, 2009, 18:48 GMT **Posts:** 2094

"Abandoned Love" is a great song. The performance in '75 at the Ramblin' Jack Elliott show was one of His Bobness's best performances ever. I like "Joey," too. He coulda had both "Abandoned Love" & "Joey" on the same album or released both of 'em somehow. He coulda done a double album or included a bonus 45 with the album.

tellmemomma1966

ey boston can you lock this one too it's really boring

final answer something like "yes, no, maybe, who cares, listen to whatever you like"

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