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 Post subject: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:32 GMT 

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Way back in history, 2003 in fact, I put up a website called the 'masked and anonymous' database. We had contributions from Dylan fans, copies of the script, various behind the scenes photos, critical reviews, an interview with Bob himself, and an interview with Larry Charles.

I managed to find most of my long abandoned website and decided to put it back up online. Im still tweaking things here and there and have not put up everything yet that was contributed (including my rather naive 19 year old - at the time - mumblings), but if anyone has things they would like to add feel free to let me know.

http://maskedandanonymousdatabase.blogspot.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:39 GMT 
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This is great..

Am I right in thinking this shot
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was the one where they put the stuff in Bob's eyes to make him "cry" and he got a bad reaction to it?


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:41 GMT 
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Sounds good, but I can't get in. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:43 GMT 

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You can't get in?


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:46 GMT 
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I can.. and it sure as hell is worth it!! Why not ask bellesb to put up the excellent M&A soundtrack edits that were on the Down the River compilation yesterday:?


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:47 GMT 
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I click the link and get to a site that shows two wheels turning within an orange square.
I know that sounds weird, but that's what I get. No photos, no Bob.... just that.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:48 GMT 
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That means its loading.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:53 GMT 
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this is great! I don't have time to look now, but I know what I will be doing tonight :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 16:53 GMT 
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For ten mins? Is it going to get there.... I'll wait.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 17:00 GMT 
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Wow!!!


The whole script!!

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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 17:06 GMT 

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great page, thanks for sharing it!


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 17:22 GMT 
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The script has been on dylanstubs for ages.

Btw, the page is still loading....


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 17:26 GMT 
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There's obviously a filter preventing anyone who knows too much for getting on!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 17:39 GMT 
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Bob looks especially happy in all the photos with Penelope Cruz. I'd be happy too. She is gorgeous.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 18:05 GMT 
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Thank you! You must have been reading my mind, because only yesterday I read your interview with Larry Charles.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 18:06 GMT 
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Here's the topic for the boot compilation that contains fantastically cleaned up tracks from M&A
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=68732&p=1116390#p1116390


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Wed February 22nd, 2012, 20:57 GMT 

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Nice resource. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Thu February 23rd, 2012, 15:40 GMT 
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From one Trev to another - nice work! You've done a great job here!


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Fri February 24th, 2012, 07:15 GMT 

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Johanna Parker wrote:
The script has been on dylanstubs for ages.

That's why Stephenoxford said 'the whole script'.
I believe some pages are missing in the one on dylanstubs


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Fri February 24th, 2012, 08:24 GMT 
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Oh, okay then.
It wasn't especially noticeable while reading.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Fri February 24th, 2012, 09:35 GMT 

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Johanna Parker wrote:
It wasn't especially noticeable while reading.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Fri February 24th, 2012, 10:40 GMT 
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Were you camouflaged or in disguise?
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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Fri February 24th, 2012, 17:53 GMT 
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Time for closure, Trev my boy. Some festering wounds are best left for dead.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Sat February 25th, 2012, 15:24 GMT 
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trevgibb wrote:
I managed to find most of my long abandoned website and decided to put it back up online. Im still tweaking things here and there and have not put up everything yet that was contributed (including my rather naive 19 year old - at the time - mumblings), but if anyone has things they would like to add feel free to let me know.


I'd suggest a link to this series of notes on Masked and Anonymous source material right here on ER: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=34593.

I'd also suggest a link to my post "Bob Dylan, Jeff Bridges & The Monkey Girl" on my blog. It it I demonstrate how lines in the script are crafted out of material from a book of sideshow photography called In Search of the Monkey Girl, including elements from an essay by Spalding Gray: http://swarmuth.blogspot.com/2010/03/bo ... -girl.html

The film still has a lot to give. For instance, in Masked and Anonymous the character Bobby Cupid is based in part on Valentine Xavier from the Tennessee Williams play Orpheus Descending. Marlon Brando played the role in the film version, which is called The Fugitive Kind. Bobby Cupid = Valentine Xavier, the wordplay is clear. Bobby Cupid's snakeskin jacket is a visual clue, in that it is a key element in both the play and the Brando film.

In Masked and Anonymous Bobby Cupid gives Jack Fate a guitar that he says belonged to Blind Lemon. The provenance of the guitar has been a topic of discussion in a number of places, for instance Eric Lott calls it into question in a lecture called "When Bob Dylan Came Knocking" that he gave at Dickinson College. The lecture is available on iTunes U. You'll find that Lott seems unwilling to even grant that it is Blind Lemon Jefferson that they are talking about.

In the play Val's guitar is autographed by Lead Belly, Woody Guthrie, Bessie Smith and Jelly Roll Morton. In The Fugitive Kind Val says that the guitar was given to him by Lead Belly. Check out this clip from the film: http://youtu.be/AjXSmwbWnYs.

In Masked and Anonymous Bobby Cupid claims that he got the guitar from a guy who used to lead Blind Lemon around. If you check your Lead Belly history you discover that Lead Belly used to lead Blind Lemon Jefferson around. The chain of ownership, from Blind Lemon to Lead Belly to Val Xavier in disguise to Jack Fate, is right there. Xavier is also mentioned by name in a scene in the script that does not appear in the film.

In the film Ed Harris plays Oscar Vogel, the ghost of a blackface minstrel who was murdered for being politically outspoken. In the script there is a mention of Vogel's face being disfigured, but no mention of him being in blackface and that is something that had puzzled people who have studied the film.

I suggest that the reason that he is in blackface may have to do with Jeff Bridges. While watching the film with the commentary track by Larry Charles I noticed that in the Oscar Vogel section of the film he makes a passing mention of actor Larry Parks. Do a little research and you'll find that Parks played Al Jolson to great acclaim in both The Jolson Story from 1946 and Jolson Sings Again in 1949 - only to be blacklisted in the fifties after testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Larry Parks was also Jeff Bridges' godfather. I'd wager that Larry Charles knew this connection, although he does not bring it up in the commentary. I think that it is likely that Jeff mentioned his godfather to either Dylan or Larry Charles while they were making the film and that led to Ed Harris appearing in blackface.


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 Post subject: Re: Masked and Anonymous Database
PostPosted: Sat February 25th, 2012, 15:28 GMT 
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Thanks for this informed post, scott. Do you write books? I'd like one on that subject.


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