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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 03:54 GMT 

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bobby's sex album - new pony, journey through dark heat aka the x song - pure lust


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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nellie wrote:
bobby's sex album - new pony, journey through dark heat aka the x song - pure lust

Whatever works for ya.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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You could surely make this claim for other albums, Blonde On Blonde among them. The good thing is there are many layers to most of the things he does.

But I'd like to take another look at gibsona's rating of those tracks, and at the lyrics:

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1. Changing of the Guards – Incredible, as good as anything Dylan has done, filled with the tarot cards and mysticism of Desire but with the addition of the saxophones and urgency of Springsteen. Grade A Dylan


The first verse, to me, is anything but tarot mysticism.

Bob Dylan wrote:
Sixteen years
Sixteen banners united over the field
Where the good shepherd grieves
Desperate men, desperate women divided
Spreading their wings ’neath the falling leaves


Sixteen years ago at that time, as has often been pointed out, Dylan had started his professional career for real with the release of his debut album, so he seems to be looking back over that time, taking stock. The war field of the second line might well be symbolic of those years, but the good shepherd is an overtly biblical reference. I wonder if in this case, Dylan casts himself as Jesus again, as he did on Blood On The Tracks, or if this is one more clue foreshadowing his conversion.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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New Pony is focussed with such force that the rest of the album is left concussed, a little weary and blurred.
Have you noticed that often when Dylan writes a song about horses he gets some backing singers to gleefully chirrup the album's overriding message (see also All The Tired Horses)?


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Trev wrote:
the album's overriding message


wicked.... wicked
What do you think about changing horses in mid-stream, Trev? Why are there no backing singers on that?


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Trev wrote:
the album's overriding message


wicked.... wicked
What do you think about changing horses in mid-stream, Trev? Why are there no backing singers on that?


If you listen very carefully to the half speed master, you can hear a gently rousing background chorus of life is an ingeniously structured narrative of love, pain, and redemption - but you need to really listen ...


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Gosh.... what if I never *find* the original half-speed master? :shock:


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I imagine it's available in all good record shops, and larger branches of department stores!


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Not where I live, it ain't. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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May I suggest you write a letter to your local dj and ask him to spin the disc in its entirety and then record it on a cassette tape with the holes in the top sellotaped over? Failing that I think there are other newfangled ways that for legal reasons I couldn't possibly recommend.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Right you are, Trev. I shall thus believe what you say, and return back to Street-Legal, where speed issues are unheard of.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Johanna Parker wrote:
Gosh.... what if I never *find* the original half-speed master? :shock:


then check the 99 cent stores for the quarter-speed masters!

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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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There are great misheard lyrics on S-L.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Some of his greatest hits were professional put-downs. Surely not stuff chart successes were previously made of. I think you could put a Marie Curie/Rosa Luxembourg song on the charts if you did it right.


well he wrote a song about Julius and Ethel too.......


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Point in case, though not exactly a hit for obvious reasons.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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There are great misheard lyrics on S-L.


Unlike a lot of people here I like Michael Gray, but it's a bit embarrassing to read him blathering on about what a great line "You turn around for one real, last glimpse of the meal" is!


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Bob Dylan wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what's going on with me sex...."

^^^^
No, he did not.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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Trev wrote:
Johanna Parker wrote:
There are great misheard lyrics on S-L.


Unlike a lot of people here I like Michael Gray, but it's a bit embarrassing to read him blathering on about what a great line "You turn around for one real, last glimpse of the meal" is!


I've never read any Michael Gray, I don't think I could stomach him.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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I'm not a big fan of most Dylan critics but I can take a bit of Gray, Song and Dance Man is a nice collection.


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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The first time I heard this album, I was 8 years old, I thought Bob was a black man.


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You got to be into big huge doorstopper size books to stomach Mr Gray, that's for sure. It's interesting stuff, partly, certainly. I actually read his whole Dylan Encyclopedia front to back. It's too opinionated for an encyclopedic work, though.


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jcastro wrote:
The first time I heard this album, I was 8 years old, I thought Bob was a black man.


His soul has no color, I think.

Speaking of black men, I suggest Mr Matt try Mr Gray's book on Blind Willie McTell. It's far less heavy than his Dylan stuff, in every regard.


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he feels and sings like a black man.


I love the black culture. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
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jcastro wrote:
he feels and sings like a black man.


I love the black culture. 8)


Here's one for you - Pony Blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoKKJjf-oQA


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 Post subject: Re: The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 21:21 GMT 

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Dear Mr Gibson,

Just as too much fine aged muscat is never enough, so too it can
be said perfectly accurately that too much discussion about this most
distinguished and misunderstood of albums is never enough either.

On your own count four of the nine songs are weak and five others
are great (variations of the word 'great').

You are wrong about No Time To Think. No less a musical
luminary than Elvis Costello regards this as a magnificent song,
and I respectfully submit that he is correct although he errs on
the side of understatement.

That leaves us with three weak songs in your estimation, and six
great ones.

Furthermore, few people realise that Is Your Love In Vain is
laced with irony. Many Americans don't get irony but Mr Dylan
clearly does, and this song, more than any other gives lie to the
nonsense that he somehow doesn't get the feminist thing.

That leaves two weak songs. And I could easily mount highly
persuasive arguments in support of those but I think seven out of
nine is a pretty great level of greatness, what?

By the way, some fascinating insights from others who have contributed to
this thread, which I will read more closely when I have the time. What
a delightful voice of reason and calm Ms Johanna Parker has become around
these parts. When I first spent time here, things could become a bit uncivil
at times.


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