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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 10:40 GMT 
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(JP: that means you go to today's front page for the link)


It doesn't mean I don't know where to find the links, it means it's up to you to provide a source if you use copyright information, as was the case with your ISIS quote. You're not Bob Dylan.

Common practice here to cite the front page. It's not like I was trying to take any credit, sheesh.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 10:50 GMT 
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Too late mr Foot . From now on you will be talking to my lawyer :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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Johanna thinks she has privileged access to the new doll she has been promised.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 11:01 GMT 
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By posting something uncredited under your user name, how are you not taking credit?


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 11:43 GMT 
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26 May 2012
Bob Dylan’s New Album: The Story So Far
Our sources indicated in late February that Bob Dylan had been into the studio with members of his tour band to record a new album. The sessions are reported to have begun in January 2012 at Groove Masters, a semi-private studio facility owned by musician Jackson Browne. The studio, on Colorado Avenue, Santa Monica, is where Dylan recorded both “Together Through Life” and “Christmas In The Heart”. He is said to have spent up to two months working on the album.
 
Then, in March, David Hidalgo revealed to The Aspen Times that he had been involved with the recording of a New Dylan album and that whilst he had been brought in primarily to play accordion and guitar, he ended up adding Mexican instruments,  including tres, to some tracks. Hidalgo said the recording sessions were nothing like the earlier ones he had done with Dylan. He had previously played accordion and guitar on “Together Through Life” and accordion, guitar, mandolin and violin on “Christmas In The Heart”.
 
Next, it was leaked on the Internet that Uncut’s Alan Jones would get to hear the album week commencing May 14. It’s not certain that any such a listening session actually took place.
 
Nevertheless, some individuals, on both sides of the Atlantic, are anticipating media listening session in the near future– the likes of Rolling Stone magazine and USA Today have been mentioned. Given the restrictions that apply, it is doubtful whether these events will yield any more information. Sony’s marketing people will have a plan and letting people like us know, people who actually buy the albums, would mean that they have little purpose in life.
 
Listening sessions for Sony staff in New York and London have already taken place but those attending are warned not to talk about the album.
 
ISIS received information about a 14-minute Titanic song before this rumour was carried on the Internet. It is, however, our policy not to publish such rumours until we get some form of independent confirmation. This has now been forthcoming.
 
Meanwhile, we have heard the album will contain 10 tracks and is 68 minutes long. The most likely release date is September, prior to the Grammy deadline and in the run-up to the holiday season. This fits a common pattern in the past. As well as the 14 minute song, there is believed to be another that is 9 minutes in length.
 
There are, as so often in these situations, unconfirmed stories. We are currently trying to check out a couple of these. Watch this space. 

Joey: Here is my post that's got you in a tizzy. Basically, you are now accusing me of plagiarism, which offends me deeply. Note my opening line which states: From front page:. Many posts are referred to within these forums in such a way. I am trying to take credit from ISIS, according to you, which is ludicrous. I'm beginning to think that the root of your problem here is that I saw the article before you did, which drives this into the ditch of childishness pretty quickly. I like having you here and I hope you can let this go.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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And yet ironically, JP seems to have no issue quoting Bob Dylan's lyrics regularly without crediting him.

I wouldn't worry about it - she's mental.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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MT was recorded early 06, not 05. People were raging against his voice back then, yet the vocal ended up being surprisingly smooth, probably his most user friendly singing since Oh Mercy in fact. Its decline since is self evident. That hasn't stopped Benny preferring TTL to MT but his point is still essentially valid. The vocal on the new album remains my biggest fear even knowing it was recorded after a touring lay off...


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 11:54 GMT 
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Bennyboy wrote:
And yet ironically, JP seems to have no issue quoting Bob Dylan's lyrics regularly without crediting him.


That is because he didn't write them! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 12:00 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Joey: Here is my post that's got you in a tizzy. Basically, you are now accusing me of plagiarism, which offends me deeply. Note my opening line which states: From front page:. Many posts are referred to within these forums in such a way. I am trying to take credit from ISIS, according to you, which is ludicrous. I'm beginning to think that the root of your problem here is that I saw the article before you did, which drives this into the ditch of childishness pretty quickly. I like having you here and I hope you can let this go.


I don't have to explain to you the difference between a note and a link, do I? Moreover, I access this forum via the front page, and I'm on European time, so any links I want to check out in the morning, I'll read. Any updates on the ISIS website, I get notified about via their email newsletter. So there's absolutely no reason to think I'd be jealous of you seeing something first, and even if you did, good for you. I just happened to be talking to Derek, and he wasn't happy that somebody would take his news item wholesale and post it on here.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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No offense but once an item of news has been released then it is in the public domain. It doesn't belong to anybody. Sort of like Bob playing a concert in public, that is then recorded for posterity and diseminated for consumption here. Not that anybody here would do anything as morally repugnant of course ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 12:41 GMT 
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Better start crediting all the photos posted in the Visions thread, then.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 13:29 GMT 
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Isis could probably use and certainly deserves as much publicity as they can get, but that's about as far as it goes. A chill pill just might be in order.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 13:32 GMT 
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As regards the Isis Magazine Dylan News update and other news items on the front page - People should not just follow the links there then copy and paste whole articles here.

Quoting parts of an article if you are referring to it in your post is fair use and fine, but an acknowledgement of the original source is required.

It is only fitting and polite to give people credit for their work.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 14:34 GMT 
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Thank you kindly, Mr Darwin.

@bobfan: Of course, anybody can repeat news and rumors and all sorts of things that they gather from the media, and nobody can stop people from doing so, but there is a difference between recounting and copying. Of course hot news about the new album are sought after, and ISIS have shared some - so that's good work.

I don't know if anybody has scrolled all the way down that website, it says at the bottom:

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All content, copyright © 2012 of Isis Magazine Ltd


And now, I'll say no more.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 14:53 GMT 
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Who really cares?

I said that. Or did I??? Wooo.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 15:03 GMT 
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Actually it raises some very important points about the folk process which some tiny middle class people just don't understand!
I thought Still Go Barefoot added depth to the original article with his inventive re-contextualising of it. It was an article to start with, but he turned it into a forum post!
It's like TS Eliot said, If you're a brilliant writer just copy things! And SGB took it from ISIS magazine, so in fact the whole post is from the viewpoint of an Ancient Egyptian goddess!
SGB's exactly like Shakespeare, probably. It's called creativity! Do you think Van Gough cut off his own ear ... no! If you look at SGB's early posts he was always stealing bits from The Telegraph, but no one complained then!
... and so on



Anyway, thanks for posting the news SGB, I thought it was obvious that you weren't trying to claim credit for it and just forgot to mention it was from Isis. Now we know and it's sorted.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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Yes, Go Team Isis! May their commercial interest in the minutiae of Bob Dylan never wane.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 15:17 GMT 
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They should have replaced Bob with you when he went Mod.... you'd make such a good protest writer.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
PostPosted: Tue May 29th, 2012, 15:35 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
They should have replaced Bob with you when he went Mod.... you'd make such a good protest writer.


Actually, Derek refused to print mine and Kev's comeback article a few years ago, on the basis it contained 'virtually no Bob Dylan content' or words to that effect.

It was an inspired piece though, and the world is a poorer place for those 7 subscribers not having had chance to read it.

Does he still look like David Crosby?


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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Bennyboy wrote:
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They should have replaced Bob with you when he went Mod.... you'd make such a good protest writer.


Actually, Derek refused to print mine and Kev's comeback article a few years ago, on the basis it contained 'virtually no Bob Dylan content' or words to that effect.

It was an inspired piece though, and the world is a poorer place for those 7 subscribers not having had chance to read it.

Does he still look like David Crosby?



On behalf of the assembled masses, I demand that you post this article. If it's of the same quality as your review of the 1991 Stuttgart (maybe it was a different one, I can't find the review anymore) then we probably don't deserve it, but really need it.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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I don't believe that ISIS credited it's source for the Mr. Jones Uncut rumor or is there a different standard applied in this instance?


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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charlesdarwin wrote:
As regards the Isis Magazine Dylan News update and other news items on the front page - People should not just follow the links there then copy and paste whole articles here.

Quoting parts of an article if you are referring to it in your post is fair use and fine, but an acknowledgement of the original source is required.

It is only fitting and polite to give people credit for their work.


Fitting and polite, yes. A legal requirement, erm...no. I don't think you can hold a copyright for a piece of news. I'm not an expert though so I'm willing to be proved wrong. But yeah, are we going to go back through the Visions...thread and credit all those photographers for their fine work? Just curious.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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Actually, Derek refused to print mine and Kev's comeback article a few years ago, on the basis it contained 'virtually no Bob Dylan content' or words to that effect.
It was an inspired piece though, and the world is a poorer place for those 7 subscribers not having had chance to read it.

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Does he still look like David Crosby?
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On behalf of the assembled masses, I demand that you post this article. If it's of the same quality as your review of the 1991 Stuttgart (maybe it was a different one, I can't find the review anymore) then we probably don't deserve it, but really need it.
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is this the article where the reviewer has a huge hard of hearing balloon? that was some article.

what are punters? here they kick on fourth down, in england they attend bob concerts.


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 Post subject: Re: New album is apparently 68 mins long..
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Harry Truman wrote:
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Actually, Derek refused to print mine and Kev's comeback article a few years ago, on the basis it contained 'virtually no Bob Dylan content' or words to that effect.

It was an inspired piece though, and the world is a poorer place for those 7 subscribers not having had chance to read it.

Does he still look like David Crosby?



On behalf of the assembled masses, I demand that you post this article. If it's of the same quality as your review of the 1991 Stuttgart (maybe it was a different one, I can't find the review anymore) then we probably don't deserve it, but really need it.


A PM will provide you with what you need, even if after having read it what you need is a colonic irrigation of your mind.


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