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 Post subject: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 02:26 GMT 
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An attempt to listen to all of Bob Dylan's studio albums in order over the summer, climaxing with the release of Tempest on September 11! There will be about 2-3 albums per week.

Part 19:
Slow Train Coming
Release: August 20, 1979

Where were you in 1979? I was listening to my very first Bob Dylan record as 14 year-old caught up in pentecostal vibrations! "Hey, that axe is a cross!....cool." Give a listen this week to Slow Train Coming and record your thoughts here!

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Perhaps it was inevitable that Bob Dylan would change direction at the end of the '70s, since he had dabbled in everything from full-on repudiation of his legacy to a quiet embrace of it, to dipping his toe into pure showmanship. Nobody really could have expected that he would turn to Christianity on Slow Train Coming, embracing a born-again philosophy with enthusiasm. He has no problem in believing in a vengeful god -- you gotta serve somebody, after all -- and this is pure brimstone and fire throughout the record, even on such lovely testimonials as "I Believe in You." The unexpected side effect of his conversion is that it gave Dylan a focus he hadn't had since Blood on the Tracks, and his concentration carries over to the music, which is lean and direct in a way that he hadn't been since, well, Blood on the Tracks. Focus isn't necessarily the same thing as consistency, and this does suffer from being a bit too dogmatic, not just in its religion, but in its musical approach. Still, it's hard to deny that Dylan doesn't sound revitalized here, and the result is a modest success that at least works on its own terms.
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Bob Dylan
Release: March 19, 1962
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The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
Release: May 27, 1963
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The Times They Are a-Changin'
Release: January 13, 1964
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Another Side of Bob Dylan
Release: August 8, 1964
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Bringing It All Back Home
Release: March 22, 1965
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Highway 61 Revisited
Release: August 30, 1965
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Blonde on Blonde
Release: June 20, 1966
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The Basement Tapes
Recorded: June-September 1967 Release: June 26, 1975
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John Wesley Harding
Release: December 27, 1967
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Nashville Skyline
Release: April 9, 1969
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Self Portrait
Release: June 8, 1970
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New Morning
Release: October 21, 1970
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Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
Release: July 13, 1973
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Dylan
Release: November 16, 1973
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Planet Waves
Release: January 17, 1974
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Blood on the Tracks
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Desire
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Street Legal
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Slow Train Coming
Release: August 20, 1979

Saved
Release: June 20, 1980

Shot of Love
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Infidels
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Empire Burlesque
Release: June 8, 1985

Knocked Out Loaded
Release: August 8, 1986

Down in the Groove
Release: May 31, 1988

Oh Mercy
Release: September 22, 1989

Under the Red Sky
Release: September 11, 1990

Good as I Been to You
Release: October 27, 1992

World Gone Wrong
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Time Out of Mind
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"Love and Theft"
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Modern Times
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Together Through Life
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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 07:29 GMT 
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one of the many things I love about Dylan, is that when he is in, he is IN.

Over the years, he has been IN many things ... folk, folk-rock, country, heartbreak, and now Christianity.
Im not a believer, but I love this album (and the subsequent live shows) for its' sheer power and conviction.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 08:26 GMT 
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Well, I'm attempting to listen to it now, and it really is a CHALLENGE.

The sound is sterile. Makes me think of overpolished chrome in a show home bathroom; every trace of contamination, humanity, bleached away. Then the female backing singers come in, and they are so shrill...sheesh, it's horrible.

And Dylan's singing is pretty repellent too. Thin, pitched high, forced. Listening to Precious Angel as I type, and I'm wondering how anyone can enjoy this version of Dylan as a singer - it has nothing to do with the content of the songs, it's the sound.

I give up. It's beyond my powers of endurance. Slow Train Coming is about as far as you can get from the ramshackle genius present in every word sung and every note played on Hard Rain. I'm playing Maggie's Farm from that record now, having abandoned Slow Train Coming, Dylan's voice is deeper, full, assured, expressive, amazingly elastic, musical.

Still, listening to two songs from Slow Train Coming is a timely reminder of the fact that in 1979 Dylan was so recognisably at a creative ebb, and how records like London Calling and Metal Box were what I was listening to that year. I'd like to pretend Dylan had somehow handed on the baton, but the truth is he dropped it.

Slow Train Coming was an awful record in 1979, and it still is.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 13:02 GMT 
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I still listen to the live stuff if I want to hear something from the born again period. But I pull this one out when I want some 9th-grade, geeky, permed hair flashbacks.

But listening in order, it is interesting how Bob swings so drastically back-and-forth between more conservative, traditional world-views and progressive ones. A Slow Train Coming discussion from a few years ago...

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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
Well, I'm attempting to listen to it now, and it really is a CHALLENGE.


:lol:
In just a few more records I'll be right there with you. I'll be pulling out a couple I haven't played in a LONG time.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 14:01 GMT 
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I have always loved Precious Angel.
Put it on my I pod......by itself.
The rest I'm indifferent to.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed July 25th, 2012, 15:09 GMT 
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John B. Stetson wrote:
I still listen to the live stuff if I want to hear something from the born again period. But I pull this one out when I want some 9th-grade, geeky, permed hair flashbacks.

But listening in order, it is interesting how Bob swings so drastically back-and-forth between more conservative, traditional world-views and progressive ones. A Slow Train Coming discussion from a few years ago...

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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
Well, I'm attempting to listen to it now, and it really is a CHALLENGE.


:lol:
In just a few more records I'll be right there with you. I'll be pulling out a couple I haven't played in a LONG time.



Forget listening to all the records, John. Most of them will just depress the shit out of you.

Listen to this live version of Big Girl Now and you'll rememeber why we are here...

http://www.mediafire.com/?985mo9yexk0r6n9


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Thu July 26th, 2012, 01:39 GMT 
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1. Gotta Serve Somebody
2. Precious Angel
3. I Believe In You
4. Slow Train
5. Gonna Change My Way Of Thinking
6. Do Right To Me Baby (Do Unto Others)
7. When You Gonna Wake Up
8. Man Gave Names To All The Animals
9. When He Returns

So there it is - one of his most controversial albums. The man always manages to shake things up, doesn't he?
I do like most of the songs on this - especially "I Believe In You" and "Man Gave Names To All The Animals" (just bought that book/cd for my newest grandson)


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Thu July 26th, 2012, 03:41 GMT 
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1. Gotta Serve Somebody
2. Precious Angel
3. I Believe In You
4. Slow Train
5. Gonna Change My Way Of Thinking
6. Do Right To Me Baby (Do Unto Others)
7. When You Gonna Wake Up
8. Man Gave Names To All The Animals
9. When He Returns

So there it is - one of his most controversial albums. The man always manages to shake things up, doesn't he?
I do like most of the songs on this - especially "I Believe In You" and "Man Gave Names To All The Animals" (just bought that book/cd for my newest grandson)

Mark Knopfler is a big plus on this EXCELLENT album that hasn't failed to pick my lame ass up off the ground time and time again.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Thu July 26th, 2012, 17:06 GMT 
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Woah, I didn't expect there to be any hate for this one...

It's an astounding record. From the focus of the production, consciously redirected from Street-Legal's sloppiness, to the vitriolic lyrics, which are so full of determination and focus that they sometimes lose the sense part.

The God stuff never bothered me. I've always been more interested in the fact that people need to believe in something, than what it is they believe in... and whether it was a reaction to losing control in his personal life, the effects of substance abuse, or a calculated wrong-footer, Dylan sounds completely committed here.


The songs are far-reaching, passionate, desperate, aching and beautiful. Man Gave Names to All The Animals might be my favorite from it... working on several smart levels through such simplicity.

Actually wait, my favorite is probably When He Returns, which is absolutely astounding, as a song and as a vocal performance.

His voice sounds worn and hard-edged, only adding to the sense of belief in these performances.

A great record, that touches on gospel, another aspect of American song that Dylan needed to embrace at some point on his journey through the pantheon.

I'm a huge fan of the live shows around this time, and a massive fan of Rolling Thunder-era Dylan, but there is sure nothing wrong with this record.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 02:47 GMT 

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Blows my mind how people find this album bad. It's one of his masterpieces in my opinion.

Gotta Serve Somebody took me awhile to warm up to. It's rainy day women written by an adult and not a punk kid (I think it's funny how his voice is the closest to his 66 voice as he ever came back to as well )
Precious Angel is so catchy and a mouth full of inspired words
I Believe In You is an awesome story he tells, which i feel we all can relate to, whether you're a believer or not. And it makes me feel good that I'm not alone too
Slow Train is just cool. Plain as that
Gonna Change My Way Of Thinking is a rockin blues with an awesome chorus. My head is bobbing just thinking of the song
Do Right To Me Baby (Do Unto Others) is another catchy tune.
When You Gonna Wake Up is another great rocker that hold yet another awesome idea behind it for a song
Man Gave Names To All The Animals, nice music, but who cares... this one is a drag. but one out of 9 ain't bad.
When He Returns, very emotional. The vocals are up front with the music in an energetic manor, full of passion


All in all. Awesome album with every song different then the next. but as it was said. Live 79 and 80 tops it. But that's okay.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 03:50 GMT 
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Listening to my scratchy old vinyl now and it sure sounds good. I've listened through the mid-70's albums in fairly quick succession, over about a week or so, and it is something how far his voice had receeded into his nasal passages by this point. There is a freshness here though, and the clean, professional production helps it along nicely. It doesn't detract at all, for me. Some really nice melodies on here, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
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Oh, and as far as the content, I see it as being like a friend of mine used to say, "at some point he knew he had to do his bit for the guy upstairs".


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 04:04 GMT 

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Rimshottbob wrote:
Woah, I didn't expect there to be any hate for this one...

It's an astounding record. From the focus of the production, consciously redirected from Street-Legal's sloppiness, to the vitriolic lyrics, which are so full of determination and focus that they sometimes lose the sense part.

The God stuff never bothered me. I've always been more interested in the fact that people need to believe in something, than what it is they believe in... and whether it was a reaction to losing control in his personal life, the effects of substance abuse, or a calculated wrong-footer, Dylan sounds completely committed here.


The songs are far-reaching, passionate, desperate, aching and beautiful. Man Gave Names to All The Animals might be my favorite from it... working on several smart levels through such simplicity.

Actually wait, my favorite is probably When He Returns, which is absolutely astounding, as a song and as a vocal performance.

His voice sounds worn and hard-edged, only adding to the sense of belief in these performances.

A great record, that touches on gospel, another aspect of American song that Dylan needed to embrace at some point on his journey through the pantheon.

I'm a huge fan of the live shows around this time, and a massive fan of Rolling Thunder-era Dylan, but there is sure nothing wrong with this record.


Good post. Well said.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 06:19 GMT 
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Slow Train Coming is my favorite of the gospel records, as a whole, even though the other two have most of my favorite gospel songs in them. When He Returns is definitely one of the gems here. The rest of the tracks are great too, especially I Believe In You, Gotta Serve Somebody, and Do Right To Me Baby (Do Unto Others). Sometimes I hear Man Gave Names To All The Animals and I love it, and other times I hear it and I hate it; the music is great, I just really wish the lyrics didn't sound like he ripped them from a children's songbook.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 06:31 GMT 
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Bob's conversion was quite the news at the time and Slow Train Coming masterfully landed squarely into the heart of one of Bob's most controversial periods. If bad ink is better than no ink, Bob certainly benefitted handsomely.

I like the album. The songs were pouring from him during this prolific period and he left nearly as many unrecorded (in the studio) or unreleased as he released. The shows were consistent in quality. I find myself in awe at how quickly he went from Street-Legal to the gospel era and how much he put out in a year or so.

Slow Train Coming is a fine album. Bob was engaged with the material and whether one likes the gospel material or not, when Bob is out to prove something, when he is taking an "in your face approach", his passion is infectious. Slow Train Coming contains that. Some have referred to it as "preachy", almost self-righteous, and some do not appreciate the dichotomous "either/or" religiosity but "it is what it is"... this is where Bob was at this juncture of life. His interests were here as he was attempting to understand and make sense of certain aspects of life, religion, and spirituality. It was a part of his life's journey and I think an important one at that. I think much of what came after this intensely personal period of his life would not have been had it not been for what he experienced and how he worked through it.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Wed August 1st, 2012, 21:11 GMT 
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Slow Train Coming finds Dylan at his most impassioned: revitalized and assured of a new direction so recently undertaken - it is similar to exactly two other periods in his career: His surge into the electrified rock scene, and his return to form with folk/roots songwriting in the 1990s/00s. Whether or not you agree with this new spirited direction is another mater.

But if you embrace the ride, you will not be disappointed. If Bringing it all Back home touched on electroblues, and Highway 61 amplified the movement, then Street-Legal messes around with the studio, and Slow Train Coming turns on the reverb. Some fine songs, and some fine sounding songs. I'll leave the Jesus question on the shelf for the majority of this review: the album's pleasures can be enjoyed with or without his spiritual presence I think.

Gotta Serve Somebody
A drastic change of sound for an opener - one of my favorites since Rainy Day Woman or Subterranean Homesick Blues. I find it as anthemic as well. All the different instruments seem to have found a comfortable territory to enjoy on this one, unlike the fight for unified turf that is presented in Street~Legal. I enjoy the organ and guitar dance, and of course the singing drums and base. Those are the instruments that are dancing with Dylan's voice throughout this album. So this is how it's going to be.

Precious Angel
Okay, now that cheeky guitar strumming and borderline upsinging has driven all the Dylan diehard elites out of the room, what do we think of this one? A little unconvincing. That's what strikes me first. One of the only times I'm a little skeptic about what this guy's telling me. (I tried using a version of the last two verses on a first date once - it did not go well !) I'll blame the unambitious lyric writing. Musically, the song crescendos to a fun and moving ending. The piano part becomes more present, the horns and vocals come in, then wham, we are swept away with the spirit of this album. Figuratively and literally.

I believe in you
Ohh...so this is what the album is about. Beautiful! The gentle acoustics of Blood on the Tracks, without the discord in the lyrics :?: ...A vocal performance on par with the level of attained in Just Like a Woman? Yet another new vocal cadance (the skreaky emotional crack) cranked out by the jokerman? I believe in that! When I was young, this song delivered that feeling of the warm holy spirit. No joke there.

Slow Train Coming
Yes, Dylan can still rap in the seventies. More convincing and urgent than Subterranean homesick blues (okay maybe not 'more' convincing, you get what I mean). As desperate as It's Alright Ma too...You don't know if you want to jump out of the way by the time the refrain comes along or jump on board. But you certainly know you can't stand still.

Some seriously fun rhymes, but that they make such lyrical sense is mind blowing.

Sometimes I feel so low-down and disgusted
Can’t help but wonder what’s happenin’ to my companions
Are they lost or are they found
Have they counted the cost it’ll take to bring down
All their earthly principles they’re gonna have to abandon?
There’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

I had a woman down in Alabama
She was a backwoods girl, but she sure was realistic
She said, “Boy, without a doubt
Have to quit your mess and straighten out
You could die down here, be just another accident statistic”
There’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

All that foreign oil controlling American soil
Look around you, it’s just bound to make you embarrassed
Sheiks walkin’ around like kings
Wearing fancy jewels and nose rings
Deciding America’s future from Amsterdam and to Paris
And there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

Man’s ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don’t apply no more
You can’t rely no more to be standin’ around waitin'
In the home of the brave
Jefferson turnin’ over in his grave
Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
And there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

Big-time negotiators, false healers and woman haters
Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition
But the enemy I see
Wears a cloak of decency
All nonbelievers and men stealers talkin’ in the name of religion
And there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

People starving and thirsting, grain elevators are bursting
Oh, you know it costs more to store the food than it do to give it
They say lose your inhibitions
Follow your own ambitions
They talk about a life of brotherly love show me someone who knows how to live it
There’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

Well, my baby went to Illinois with some bad-talkin’ boy she could destroy
A real suicide case, but there was nothin’ I could do to stop it
I don’t care about economy
I don’t care about astronomy
But it sure do bother me to see my loved ones turning into puppets
There’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend


I could see this coming back to the setlist to the tune of High Water. F*ck Hurricane, this is Dylan's Masters of War for the 1970s and the degenerate age...in John Wesley Harding, Dylan makes the case to look to the bible for comfort, insight, and support - in Slow Train Coming, he suggests arming for battle with it in hand.

Gonna Change My Way of Thinking
Positively 4th street for a new generation of nay sayers. It comes off as a little self-indulgent on this version I think, and unambitious. The revised lyric of the modern version and changed perspective of the singer seeming more third person (distanced from Dylan the person) compared to the first person boots he's wearing here, have certainly strengthened the song. And its message is that much more foreboding. It's hard to think of this as anything but thin in comparison, down to the guitar solo. But overall not bad.

I just began wondering if I've heard any harmonica this album yet...I'll have to check my notes.

Do Right To Me Baby (Do Unto Others)
My first favorite underdog/obscure/under-appreciated track of the album! Sounds great. Marching/traversing drum and bass rhythm that reminds me of the political ballads of Oh Mercy. Great singing - really occupying and exploring the new voice here. Smart lyrics - incorporating love into his new world view, a mandatory move for each album, and some fine piercing Dylan humor to boot (Don’t wanna marry nobody if they’re already married :wink: ). I like it, and you can't do anything about it.

When you Gonna Wake Up
More of the same things expressed about Do Right To Me Baby. Love the horns and the organ. Not missing the harmonica anymore. Nearly one of my favorite phrases set to meter: Karl Marx has got ya by the throat, Henry Kissinger’s got you tied up in knots.. Enough of the 60s analogies, I know, but this song is his Ballad of a Thin Man. Who knew that the answer when something is happening that you don't understand would be to follow the light of the Lord?? Dylan is nothing if not unpredictable...

Man Gave Names to all the Animals
Oh, so the master wordsmith can also be humorous and light-spirited? Noted. Definitely in his top three reggae efforts. :wink:

When He Returns
Sets up Saved pretty seamlessly, doesn't it? A few too many pinchy notes for my tastes. Probably some great versions out there live I'd imagine. Whelp, he's certainly not singing to Sara any longer !


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
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^100% agree.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 13:38 GMT 
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I'll give Wexler and Beckett lots of credit for boxing Dylan up in late 70's glory. A tour de force if you ignore relatively weak songwriting. I've grown to appreciate the humor in "Do Right to Me" which is son of "All I Really Want to Do." All credit to Knopfler for some truly lyrical playing on "Precious Angel" and "I Believe in You." Best tune was "When You Gonna Wake Up" but the lyric is a headscratcher.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Mon November 5th, 2012, 21:56 GMT 
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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
Well, I'm attempting to listen to it now, and it really is a CHALLENGE.

The sound is sterile. Makes me think of overpolished chrome in a show home bathroom; every trace of contamination, humanity, bleached away. Then the female backing singers come in, and they are so shrill...sheesh, it's horrible.

And Dylan's singing is pretty repellent too. Thin, pitched high, forced. Listening to Precious Angel as I type, and I'm wondering how anyone can enjoy this version of Dylan as a singer - it has nothing to do with the content of the songs, it's the sound.

I give up. It's beyond my powers of endurance. Slow Train Coming is about as far as you can get from the ramshackle genius present in every word sung and every note played on Hard Rain. I'm playing Maggie's Farm from that record now, having abandoned Slow Train Coming, Dylan's voice is deeper, full, assured, expressive, amazingly elastic, musical.

Still, listening to two songs from Slow Train Coming is a timely reminder of the fact that in 1979 Dylan was so recognisably at a creative ebb, and how records like London Calling and Metal Box were what I was listening to that year. I'd like to pretend Dylan had somehow handed on the baton, but the truth is he dropped it.

Slow Train Coming was an awful record in 1979, and it still is.


:lol: could be said of Saved too, only more so. BUT, When He Returns is excellent with just the piano and maybe it also hinted of the better live performances.


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 Post subject: Re: Summer Listening Challenge pt19 Slow Train Coming
PostPosted: Mon November 5th, 2012, 23:22 GMT 
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I like the record but I can understand if people are put off by Bob's preaching. Musically I think it's as tight as Dylan ever got, which is a bit of a two-edged sword for me. At times, I love it, other times it sounds a bit static to me. Can't understand all the hate for 'Man gave names to all the animals'. Sure, the lyrics are a throwaway, but musically it's just sooo catchy.


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