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 Post subject: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 18:57 GMT 

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Well in lieu of the real Magilla, I whipped up a "Tempest" pre-mix of songs that Dylan new record echoes, quotes from, or just kind of remind me & others of in a strange way right now. I'm sure there's more to come. Shuffle it up and let it rip:


DUQUESNE WHISTLE
"K.C. Moan" Memphis Jug Band
"Playboy Blues" Joe Turner
"Watermelon Smilin' On a Vine" Uncle Dave Macon
"Watermelon Hangin' On the Vine" The Monroe Brothers
"I Hear a Sweet Voice Calling" Bill Monroe & His Blue Grass Boys
"(I'll Be Glad When You're Dead) You Rascal You" Louis Jordan

SOON AFTER MIDNIGHT
"Silhouettes" The Rays
"Killing Floor" Howlin' Wolf
"Two Time Slim" Snatch & The Poontangs

NARROW WAY
"You'll Work Down to Me Someday" Mississippi Sheiks
"Cake Walkin' Babies from Home" Bessie Smith
"Same Thing the Cats Fight About" Bo Carter
"Dixie" Dylan

LONG & WASTED YEARS
"Twist and Shout" The Isley Brothers
"Still a Fool" Muddy Waters

SCARLET TOWN
"Barbara Allen" Lilly Brothers & Don Stover
"Barb'ry Allen" Tom Rush
"Scarlet Town" Gillian Welch
"Set 'Em Up Joe" Vern Gosdin
"Walking the Floor Over You" Ernest Tubb

EARLY ROMAN KINGS
"I'm a Man" Bo Diddley
"Mannish Boy" Muddy Waters
"I'm a Ding Dong Daddy (From Dumas)" Louis Armstrong & His New Sebastian Cotton Club Orchestra

TIN ANGEL
"Gypsy Davy" Woody Guthrie
"Black Jack Davey" Bob Dylan

TEMPEST
"The Titanic" The Carter Family
"When That Great Ship Went Down" Woody Guthrie
"God Moves On the Water" Blind Willie Johnson
When the Roll Is Called Up Yonder


ROLL ON JOHN
"Roll On John" Greenbriar Boys
"Roll On John" Bob Dylan
"Oh! Doctor The Blues" Lonnie Johnson
"A Day in the Life" The Beatles
"Slow Down" The Beatles
"Come Together" The Beatles


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:01 GMT 
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The Great Wandu wrote:
TIN ANGEL
"Gypsy Davy" Woody Guthrie
"Black Jack Davey" Bob Dylan



I won't have much to add, but I think Mattie Groves is of interest to anyone who likes this kind of story - Fairport Convention do an excellent version on Leige and Leif.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:17 GMT 

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Early Roman Kings (musically) sounds like so many things that sound like so many other things

i add captain beefhearts "hard working man" in there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNSXq1VG8I


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:19 GMT 

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The Great Wandu wrote:
Well in lieu of the real Magilla, I whipped up a "Tempest" pre-mix of songs that Dylan new record echoes, quotes from, or just kind of remind me & others of in a strange way right now. I'm sure there's more to come. Shuffle it up and let it rip:


DUQUESNE WHISTLE
"K.C. Moan" Memphis Jug Band
"Playboy Blues" Joe Turner
"Watermelon Smilin' On a Vine" Uncle Dave Macon
"Watermelon Hangin' On the Vine" The Monroe Brothers
"I Hear a Sweet Voice Calling" Bill Monroe & His Blue Grass Boys
"(I'll Be Glad When You're Dead) You Rascal You" Louis Jordan

SOON AFTER MIDNIGHT
"Silhouettes" The Rays
"Killing Floor" Howlin' Wolf
"Two Time Slim" Snatch & The Poontangs

NARROW WAY
"You'll Work Down to Me Someday" Mississippi Sheiks
"Cake Walkin' Babies from Home" Bessie Smith
"Same Thing the Cats Fight About" Bo Carter
"Dixie" Dylan

LONG & WASTED YEARS
"Twist and Shout" The Isley Brothers
"Still a Fool" Muddy Waters

SCARLET TOWN
"Barbara Allen" Lilly Brothers & Don Stover
"Barb'ry Allen" Tom Rush
"Scarlet Town" Gillian Welch
"Set 'Em Up Joe" Vern Gosdin
"Walking the Floor Over You" Ernest Tubb

EARLY ROMAN KINGS
"I'm a Man" Bo Diddley
"Mannish Boy" Muddy Waters
"I'm a Ding Dong Daddy (From Dumas)" Louis Armstrong & His New Sebastian Cotton Club Orchestra

TIN ANGEL
"Gypsy Davy" Woody Guthrie
"Black Jack Davey" Bob Dylan

TEMPEST
"The Titanic" The Carter Family
"When That Great Ship Went Down" Woody Guthrie
"God Moves On the Water" Blind Willie Johnson
When the Roll Is Called Up Yonder


ROLL ON JOHN
"Roll On John" Greenbriar Boys
"Roll On John" Bob Dylan
"Oh! Doctor The Blues" Lonnie Johnson
"A Day in the Life" The Beatles
"Slow Down" The Beatles
"Come Together" The Beatles


Very nice


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:21 GMT 

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Ralph Stanley did a good "Matthie Grove" on the T-Bone prod record a while back. Yes, it's same gene pool, w even more blood & gore than "Tin Angel"


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:21 GMT 

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'Matt Groves And Lady Barnard' by Robin Williamson - of Incredible String Band fame - from Just Like The River And Other Songs For Guitar (2008) - which also includes a great 'Absolutely Sweet Marie' - should be added to the Tin Angel list


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:38 GMT 
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The Great Wandu wrote:

SOON AFTER MIDNIGHT
"Silhouettes" The Rays
"Killing Floor" Howlin' Wolf
"Two Time Slim" Snatch & The Poontangs


I suggest adding:
"A New Shade of Blue" Bobby Fuller Four
http://youtu.be/3SmZedG9sVw


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 19:48 GMT 

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Nothing for Pay in Blood?


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 20:01 GMT 
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Thanks @Wandu, I was going to make a Tempest companion playlist sometime, gonna put it in a file with the other references.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 20:08 GMT 

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Wow--that Bobby Fuller song is haunting! I hear the resemblance. Any excuse to pull out the BFF records is always welcome. Saw his brother at Norton Records Anniversary wingding & it was a real thrill.

Off-topic: Boy, Dylan hews to Carter Fam version of "Titanic" in many ways--the watchmen character being one key way. From Carters:

"The watchman was a-dreaming
Yes, dreaming a sad, sad dream
He dreamed the Titanic was sinking
Out on the deep blue sea"

Now how many of innumerable versions of "Titanic" have a dreaming watchman?


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 20:12 GMT 

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As usu, the good work at Old Weird America provides a tremendous start for The Titanic in song:

http://oldweirdamerica.wordpress.com/20 ... sey-smith/


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 20:23 GMT 
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The Great Wandu wrote:
Wow--that Bobby Fuller song is haunting! I hear the resemblance. Any excuse to pull out the BFF records is always welcome. Saw his brother at Norton Records Anniversary wingding & it was a real thrill.

Haunting indeed. I wrote about Randy Fuller and the Norton Records Anniversary in another thread:
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The simple "Earth Angel" music is soothing, so deeply familiar that it lowers our guard.


You could be more specific here. Instead of "simple 'Earth Angel' music" it would pay to consider, as The Mighty Monkey of Mim pointed out in another thread, that there is an exact template for the song: "A New Shade of Blue" by the Bobby Fuller Four. http://youtu.be/3SmZedG9sVw

In the song "Dirt" Lou Reed sings, "Hey, you remember that song by this guy from Texas whose name was Bobby Fuller?" Bob Dylan clearly remembers. Things to consider would be Bob Dylan's affection for the music of Buddy Holly. You could start out by pointing to Dylan's Grammy speech for Time Out of Mind where he said, about Buddy, "I know he was with us all the time we were making this record in some kind of way."

Bobby Fuller was the heir apparent to Buddy Holly and, for gung ho record collectors and rock 'n' roll fans, Dylan's use of Fuller's music as a touchstone resonates loudly. "Soon After Midnight" is the ghost of "A New Shade of Blue" and, to some ears, Fuller haunts the song.

If you need additional reference points you could check out this clip of Theme Time Radio Hour regular Deke Dickerson playing with Bobby's brother Randy and original Bobby Fuller Four drummer DeWayne Quirico last year at the Norton Records 25th Anniversary bash: http://youtu.be/1nk7B4u1ywE. Norton Records honcho Miriam Linna, who Dylan mentions by name on an episode of Theme Time Radio Hour, has been working on a biography of Bobby Fuller. Read about it here: http://bobbyfullerbio.blogspot.com/.

In another clip that you can find on YouTube from that performance Deke, in his intro to "Let Her Dance," says, "I know you guys are like me, we've listened to these records ten million times..." For the crowd at that soirée those words rang true. There is an alternate world where Bobby Fuller is considered a king and his music and legacy loom large. In order to add some additional perspective on where Dylan might be coming in this song you need to be aware of this.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 20:38 GMT 

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Re: Bobby Fuller Four info--amen to all that! I eagerly await Miriam's bio as his musical life & troubling death are utterly compelling. I wonder if Eddie G & Dylan just swapped discs back & forth for years before Theme Time became a reality--it's hard to tell whose hand guided the operation. I miss that radio show. Regardless, as Dylan's an entire career attests, he listens to a ton of music.

Got Norton BFF comp "El Paso Rock" on now. Viva both Bobbys!


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sat September 8th, 2012, 21:16 GMT 

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As mentioned above, in addition to GYPSY DAVEY there is significant influence of MATTY GROVES in TIN ANGEL. Also HENRY LEE.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sun September 9th, 2012, 11:45 GMT 

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Do I hear som Sixteen Tons in Tin Angel??


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sun September 9th, 2012, 11:54 GMT 
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The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
As mentioned above, in addition to GYPSY DAVEY there is significant influence of MATTY GROVES in TIN ANGEL. Also HENRY LEE.

And "Little Musgrave". Check out Nic Jones' brilliant version.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sun September 9th, 2012, 11:57 GMT 
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20yearsofschooling wrote:
Nothing for Pay in Blood?

Well, the obvious; the Stones' Hand Of Fate.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Sun September 9th, 2012, 12:04 GMT 

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P.Jekk wrote:
The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
As mentioned above, in addition to GYPSY DAVEY there is significant influence of MATTY GROVES in TIN ANGEL. Also HENRY LEE.

And "Little Musgrave". Check out Nic Jones' brilliant version.

Yep, that's actually a variant of the same song (MATTY GROVES, that is). I love Nic Jones' version! Also Fairport Convention's and John Jacob Niles' as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Mon September 10th, 2012, 12:11 GMT 
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I made a Spotify playlist for all songs mentioned above: http://open.spotify.com/user/ulysseston ... p7LZwZ3sSl

and shared it here http://www.spotifyclassical.com/2012/09 ... otify.html

The Bobby Fuller Four is a great find. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Mon September 10th, 2012, 13:58 GMT 
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Thanks for this. I hope it continues to grow.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Mon September 10th, 2012, 16:27 GMT 

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Wonderful


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Mon September 10th, 2012, 21:14 GMT 
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goodnitesteve wrote:
Thanks for this. I hope it continues to grow.


It will. By my count, there are 13 different songs referenced in Duquesne Whistle alone.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Mon September 10th, 2012, 23:58 GMT 

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Now that we've heard Bobby Fuller track, we can cut The Rays "Silhouettes" off the list. I'd add that "Roll On, John", to my thinking, subtly ref 2 other Lennon songs: "Instant Karma" (with it's refrain about shining brightly) and "Watching the Wheels" ("just love to watch 'em roll"). Roll on John indeed.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Tue September 18th, 2012, 03:59 GMT 

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Re: lyric in "Duquesne Whistle"--"You old rascal, I know exactly where you're going". It's a longshot, but the use of "rascal" got me thinking of "I'll Be Glad When You're Dead You Rascal You". The version Dylan played on Theme Time, by Milton Brown and His Musical Brownies has the same jaunty, choppy, Western swing vibe that "DQ" has.


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 Post subject: Re: Tempest pre-mix
PostPosted: Tue September 18th, 2012, 04:59 GMT 
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You have made an amazing list.

The very first reference I hear on the song Tempest is Tura Lura Lural (that's an Irish Lullaby).


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