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 Post subject: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri March 18th, 2016, 13:13 GMT 

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Hello, I am working with Music Heritage UK http://www.musicheritageuk.org/ to record on their website events, places and stories associated with Bob Dylan on his tours and visits to the United Kingdom throughout his career. As a life long Bob fan, there are already plenty that I know about such as Savoy Steps in London, Manchester Free Trade Hall, Dublin Street in Liverpool etc but any stories, ideas, links or leads you could send me would be appreciated and I can include them on the website and research them as necessary. Thanks a million for your input and support! I'll post again when the site is live. Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri March 18th, 2016, 13:43 GMT 

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The King and Queen Pub, played his first UK gig there:

http://www.thekingandqueenpub.com/the-folk-club.html

Apparently there's now a commemorative plaque there, which he may or may not have been at the unveiling for (inconveniently, these two websites show conflicting pub names for his first UK appearance)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... venue.html

Savoy Steps - Subterranean Homesick Blues:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/desti ... c-history/

Madhouse on Castle Street - Filmed in UK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_on_Castle_Street

Story about him in Crouch End:

http://theglamourcave.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... h-end.html


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri March 18th, 2016, 14:33 GMT 
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Corner of Gloucester Road & Queen's Gate Mews, London: Surreal Pet shop rap seen in NDH.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat March 19th, 2016, 12:57 GMT 

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Thank you for the inputs so far, much appreciated! All anecdotes, places, stories, events, links and leads etc are welcomed.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat March 19th, 2016, 15:55 GMT 

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brits-Bobs-Dyla ... 0954689704


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat March 19th, 2016, 16:15 GMT 
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Camden Lock and environs for the Blood In My Eyes video, and specifically Flukes Cradle Cafe bar in Camden - which is where the cover for World Gone Wrong was shot. Properly interesting information about this can be gleaned from these accounts by the painter of the picture on the cover, and the photographer who took the cover shot :

http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/bdx/letranger.html

http://www.bloodinmyeyes.com/ana-marias-story/

Great stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat March 19th, 2016, 17:09 GMT 
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ingate94 wrote:
The King and Queen Pub, played his first UK gig there:

http://www.thekingandqueenpub.com/the-folk-club.html

Apparently there's now a commemorative plaque there, which he may or may not have been at the unveiling for (inconveniently, these two websites show conflicting pub names for his first UK appearance)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... venue.html

Savoy Steps - Subterranean Homesick Blues:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/desti ... c-history/

Madhouse on Castle Street - Filmed in UK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_on_Castle_Street

Story about him in Crouch End:

http://theglamourcave.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... h-end.html



The King & Queen in Fitzrovia has a great little picture above the bar of Bob playing there in 1962, the plaque however wasn't unveiled there, it was unveiled at another London pub, The Water Rats, near Kings Cross, however the landlord there has taken it down as he said that someone had tried to steal it - imagine my disappoint when I was told this while standing in their doorway...

There's quite a lot of conflicting information as you mentioned, about the venue for Bob's first UK performance, but this is a great idea OP, there's a lot of Bob-related stuff to see in London and elsewhere. :o


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 14:18 GMT 
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Other Liverpool sites maybe worth listing are the Adelphi Hotel, much featured in 'Don't Look Back'.

Also Ma Egerton's public house, which has a Dylan plaque on it's exterior wall. Apparently Bob popped in for a pint of Higson's bitter, between sound checks at the Odeon cinema gig mid 1960's.

Sadly the cinema has been demolished.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 14:21 GMT 
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The Millennium Hotel on George Square in Glasgow where the Glasgow Hotel Tape was recorded.

Also, the Aust Ferry down Bristol way where the cover for NDH was taken.


leavinclaud wrote:
Corner of Gloucester Road & Queen's Gate Mews, London: Surreal Pet shop rap seen in NDH.


I knew that was around there, but never knew the exact location. Those of us who enjoyed a drink between the RAH shows know this corner very well.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 15:52 GMT 

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Thank you everyone - really pleased with your inputs, support and enthusiasm! Any further inputs and ideas, anecdotes, events etc are welcomed, of course. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 16:07 GMT 
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Indeed! :lol:
Photo session next time.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 16:31 GMT 
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gibsona07 wrote:
The Millennium Hotel on George Square in Glasgow where the Glasgow Hotel Tape was recorded.

Also, the Aust Ferry down Bristol way where the cover for NDH was taken.


leavinclaud wrote:
Corner of Gloucester Road & Queen's Gate Mews, London: Surreal Pet shop rap seen in NDH.


I knew that was around there, but never knew the exact location. Those of us who enjoyed a drink between the RAH shows know this corner very well.

Ah, the old Aust Ferry. You'll see from some of the photos that the first Severn Bridge was under construction when Bob used the Ferry (in the Rolling Stones' Austin Princess limousine). The completion of the bridge spelled the end for the ferry. And now there's a second Severn Bridge!


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 16:40 GMT 
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Here I am at said location!

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 16:57 GMT 
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Someone should write a guide to Dylan related places. It could definitely fill one of the gazillon books.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 17:48 GMT 
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gibsona07 wrote:
Here I am at said location!

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Location, desolation. Nice pic, Angus!


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun March 20th, 2016, 17:52 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
Someone should write a guide to Dylan related places. It could definitely fill one of the gazillon books.

Ooh, several volumes, one devoted to exhaustive studies of UK locations, then the same for, erm, Germany? Then ... well, you get the picture :D (Maybe several vols on US locations?)

All profusely illustrated, printed on high quality art paper etc, etc...


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Mon March 21st, 2016, 21:26 GMT 

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Several scenes from Newcastle in Don't Look Back like the guitar shop & the clothes shop where Grossman's drinking a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale, plus scenes from Newcastle Central Station in the extended version of the Don't Look Back dvd


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Tue March 22nd, 2016, 17:37 GMT 
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gedkeilty wrote:
Several scenes from Newcastle in Don't Look Back like the guitar shop & the clothes shop where Grossman's drinking a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale, plus scenes from Newcastle Central Station in the extended version of the Don't Look Back dvd


Didn't Grossman come across as an ill-mannered slob in that film? I would have thrown him out of the shop!


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri April 8th, 2016, 12:07 GMT 

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Trev wrote:
Camden Lock and environs for the Blood In My Eyes video, and specifically Flukes Cradle Cafe bar in Camden - which is where the cover for World Gone Wrong was shot. Properly interesting information about this can be gleaned from these accounts by the painter of the picture on the cover, and the photographer who took the cover shot :

http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/bdx/letranger.html

http://www.bloodinmyeyes.com/ana-marias-story/

Great stuff.


Is it correct that Flukes Cradle is no longer there? Replaced by a Chinese Buffet restaurant?


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Thu April 14th, 2016, 16:06 GMT 

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Thank you to everyone who has contributed. We are starting work on this project now and I will post again when it is completed and the information is available on the Music Heritage UK website which will be free access to anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri April 15th, 2016, 06:26 GMT 

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As a matter of interest the Sir Paul Pindar Pub near Liverpool St station in London hosted a folk, blues and jazz club known as Peanuts Gallery ( from memory). Dylan apparently played there on a Saturday night in '62. I was given this info by a guy who frequented the club for many years. Other individuals said the same thing. I first went there in '67. It is now a wine bar.

Bands like the 32-20 Blues band appeared on Thursdays, modern jazz on Fridays, folk on Sat nights. In '68 they introduced Teddy Boy get together's which attracted Ted's from all over town in their drainpipe trousers and bright coloured socks. Whenever you went there it felt slightly seedy, but warm and friendly at the same time. It was free some nights or 10 shillings for some acts. Singers popped in from just about anywhere. 120 people would fill the upstairs bar. Dylan would have loved it.

I recall Ralph McTell singing Streets of London there, with the windows wide open and the sound of the traffic rising from the streets below. On the following Monday I went to the Hop Poles pub in Enfield Town and he sang the same song there. Music just about everywhere.

I saw Cream one Friday at Bluesville club, Manor House, admission cost a pound. Not long after Hendrix played the same club, the next night he played the Refectory Club in Golders Green, where someone tossed some chips in his hair while he played the guitar with his teeth. i better stop now.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Fri April 15th, 2016, 09:54 GMT 

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Bob did not, as far as I am aware, play at The Sir Paul Pindar pub near Liverpool Street; instead he played at The Pindar of Wakefield in Grays Inn Road, now renamed The Water Rats. He was there because this was one of the many venues used by Ewan MacColl and Bert Lloyd's Singers Club, and Bob had been pointed in that direction. Bert seemed to get on well with Bob, but MacColl, as usual had political quibbles about Bob's 'authenticity'. Coming from a guy born in Manchester who pretended he was a Scot, that was rich. He also later wrote a piece critical of Bob in Sing Out the NY folk magazine. Numerous references to the event can be found on line ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_Rats


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat April 16th, 2016, 07:54 GMT 

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bobfan wrote:
Trev wrote:
Camden Lock and environs for the Blood In My Eyes video, and specifically Flukes Cradle Cafe bar in Camden - which is where the cover for World Gone Wrong was shot. Properly interesting information about this can be gleaned from these accounts by the painter of the picture on the cover, and the photographer who took the cover shot :

http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/bdx/letranger.html

http://www.bloodinmyeyes.com/ana-marias-story/

Great stuff.


Is it correct that Flukes Cradle is no longer there? Replaced by a Chinese Buffet restaurant?



Yes, that is correct and it was something else in between. I posted on this a while back, replete with a photo, iirc. It was a hugely sad day for me when Fluke's closed down. The wonderful bookshop across the road (Compendium), that told me Bob was still in the restaurant, was already long gone by then.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sat April 16th, 2016, 09:56 GMT 

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inthealley wrote:
Bob did not, as far as I am aware, play at The Sir Paul Pindar pub near Liverpool Street; instead he played at The Pindar of Wakefield in Grays Inn Road, now renamed The Water Rats. He was there because this was one of the many venues used by Ewan MacColl and Bert Lloyd's Singers Club, and Bob had been pointed in that direction. Bert seemed to get on well with Bob, but MacColl, as usual had political quibbles about Bob's 'authenticity'. Coming from a guy born in Manchester who pretended he was a Scot, that was rich. He also later wrote a piece critical of Bob in Sing Out the NY folk magazine. Numerous references to the event can be found on line ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_Rats


I only know what I was told by a very reliable individual who said he witnessed the event. The same guy told me that Dylan would be at the IOW several weeks before it was announced.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan and the UK
PostPosted: Sun April 17th, 2016, 07:20 GMT 

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Believe your friend as you wish. First of all I offer this link:

http://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/dylan-s-first-uk-venue

Secondly, I was there, and there's no confusing these two pubs, both of which I've visited since then. The Sir Paul Pindar of present existence isn't even the real one, and there have been two previously in other nearby locations. Try googling, and see if you can find any reference to Bob playing there as opposed to in Grays Inn Road.


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