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Which Do you prefer
Fourth Time Around 75%  75%  [ 53 ]
Noweigan Wood 25%  25%  [ 18 ]
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PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 19:17 GMT 
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4th Time Around is better, Norwegian Wood is good as well though


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 Post subject: Re: Fourth Time Around
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 05:14 GMT 
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raging_glory wrote:
I read somewhere and have no idea where or if it is even accurate, that Norwegian Wood was written after hearing 4th Time Around which is why Bob decided to record it. Does anyone have any idea where this came from and is it just speculation or is there something more conclusive.

Well, it's actually the other way around, Raging, with FTA being a response to NW.
NW was released in 1965 on Rubber Soul, FTA in 1966 on BoB.

From a Lennon interview in Rolling Stone #22 November 23 1968:
Q: "What did you think of Dylan's version of 'Norwegian Wood'?"

A: "I was very paranoid about that. I remember he played it to me when he was in London. He said, 'What do you think?' I said, 'I don't like it.' I didn't like it. I was very paranoid. I just didn't like what I felt I was feeling - I thought it was an out-and-out skit, you know, but it wasn't. It was great. I mean, he wasn't playing any tricks on me. I was just going through the bit."


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 Post subject: Re: Fourth Time Around
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4th time seems to be actually about something... saying something. where else the other is more of a cliche.. i don't know. not a beatles fan at all though.

the last lines in 4th time around are great, just powerful.


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Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
I once had a girl, or should I say, she once had me...
She showed me her room, isn't it good, norwegian wood?

She asked me to stay and she told me to sit anywhere,
So I looked around and I noticed there wasn't a chair.

I sat on a rug, biding my time, drinking her wine
We talked until two and then she said, "It's time for bed"

She told me she worked in the morning and started to laugh.
I told her I didn't and crawled off to sleep in the bath

And when I awoke, I was alone, this bird had flown
So I lit a fire, isn't it good, norwegian wood.



4th Time Around
When she said
“Don’t waste your words, they’re just lies”
I cried she was deaf
And she worked on my face until breaking my eyes
Then said, “What else you got left?”
It was then that I got up to leave
But she said, “Don’t forget
Everybody must give something back
For something they get”

I stood there and hummed
I tapped on her drum and asked her how come
And she buttoned her boot
And straightened her suit
Then she said, “Don’t get cute”
So I forced my hands in my pockets
And felt with my thumbs
And gallantly handed her
My very last piece of gum

She threw me outside
I stood in the dirt where everyone walked
And after finding I’d
Forgotten my shirt
I went back and knocked
I waited in the hallway, she went to get it
And I tried to make sense
Out of that picture of you in your wheelchair
That leaned up against . . .

Her Jamaican rum
And when she did come, I asked her for some
She said, “No, dear”
I said, “Your words aren’t clear
You’d better spit out your gum”
She screamed till her face got so red
Then she fell on the floor
And I covered her up and then
Thought I’d go look through her drawer

And when I was through
I filled up my shoe
And brought it to you
And you, you took me in
You loved me then
You didn’t waste time
And I, I never took much
I never asked for your crutch
Now don’t ask for mine


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 Post subject: Re: Fourth Time Around
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 06:38 GMT 
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The songs aren't really that similar. The only thing that's similar is the cadence of the first two lines of the verse and a little bit in the chorus. But it's not the melodies or the chords. They go in different directions. The instrumentation is totally different. People act like they're almost the same song - to me they're entirely different.


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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Well, it's actually the other way around, Raging, with FTA being a response to NW.
NW was released in 1965 on Rubber Soul, FTA in 1966 on BoB.

From a Lennon interview in Rolling Stone #22 November 23 1968:
Q: "What did you think of Dylan's version of 'Norwegian Wood'?"

A: "I was very paranoid about that. I remember he played it to me when he was in London. He said, 'What do you think?' I said, 'I don't like it.' I didn't like it. I was very paranoid. I just didn't like what I felt I was feeling - I thought it was an out-and-out skit, you know, but it wasn't. It was great. I mean, he wasn't playing any tricks on me. I was just going through the bit."


Barefoot, I have definitely read that, but I also read that Bob had played 4th Time Around for John earlier, before NW had been written or recorded. And then supposedly he heard NW and felt pressure to record 4thTA.

Apparently a quote from an interview with Al Kooper:

Al Kooper in Q Dylan: " I said to Dylan "it sounds so much like Norwegian wood, " and he said "actually Norwegian wood sounds a lot like this! I'm afraid they took it from me and now I feel like I have to record it y'know." Apparently he'd played it for them and they'd nicked it. I asked if he was worried about getting sued and he said, "nah, the beatles could never sue me.


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 Post subject: Re: Fourth Time Around
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I prefer everything about Norwegian Wood--the straightforward cinema verite lyric, Lennon's vocal, McCartney's harmony, the brevity, the sitar--to Dylan's song, which is still a good song but has some contrived rhyming and phrasing, goes on longer than I stay interested, and seems a little too devoted to its cleverness and tone of condescension like so many of his songs.


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And Norwegian Wood is a great novel:

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 Post subject: Re: Fourth Time Around
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 22:11 GMT 
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raging_glory wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Well, it's actually the other way around, Raging, with FTA being a response to NW.
NW was released in 1965 on Rubber Soul, FTA in 1966 on BoB.

From a Lennon interview in Rolling Stone #22 November 23 1968:
Q: "What did you think of Dylan's version of 'Norwegian Wood'?"

A: "I was very paranoid about that. I remember he played it to me when he was in London. He said, 'What do you think?' I said, 'I don't like it.' I didn't like it. I was very paranoid. I just didn't like what I felt I was feeling - I thought it was an out-and-out skit, you know, but it wasn't. It was great. I mean, he wasn't playing any tricks on me. I was just going through the bit."


Barefoot, I have definitely read that, but I also read that Bob had played 4th Time Around for John earlier, before NW had been written or recorded. And then supposedly he heard NW and felt pressure to record 4thTA.

Apparently a quote from an interview with Al Kooper:

Al Kooper in Q Dylan: " I said to Dylan "it sounds so much like Norwegian wood, " and he said "actually Norwegian wood sounds a lot like this! I'm afraid they took it from me and now I feel like I have to record it y'know." Apparently he'd played it for them and they'd nicked it. I asked if he was worried about getting sued and he said, "nah, the beatles could never sue me.

Cool. I hadn't heard that one. The plot thickens...
I'll have to look for it. Do you know when that interview took place?


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 22:28 GMT 
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dublin 66 - best version ever. "where everyone waaaalked" fantastic. screw ikea. if you can find the right screw!


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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
raging_glory wrote:

Barefoot, I have definitely read that, but I also read that Bob had played 4th Time Around for John earlier, before NW had been written or recorded. And then supposedly he heard NW and felt pressure to record 4thTA.

Apparently a quote from an interview with Al Kooper:

Al Kooper in Q Dylan: " I said to Dylan "it sounds so much like Norwegian wood, " and he said "actually Norwegian wood sounds a lot like this! I'm afraid they took it from me and now I feel like I have to record it y'know." Apparently he'd played it for them and they'd nicked it. I asked if he was worried about getting sued and he said, "nah, the beatles could never sue me.

Cool. I hadn't heard that one. The plot thickens...
I'll have to look for it. Do you know when that interview took place?


I have tried to track down the original quote, but so far I have just found it on a few blogs. I am wondering if it is just part of a book with interviews from various people of the sixties. I don't have a title to search with, but I'm going to keep trying.


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raging_glory wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Cool. I hadn't heard that one. The plot thickens...
I'll have to look for it. Do you know when that interview took place?


I have tried to track down the original quote, but so far I have just found it on a few blogs. I am wondering if it is just part of a book with interviews from various people of the sixties. I don't have a title to search with, but I'm going to keep trying.

Hey Raging. It looks like its in a book called 'Sounds Like Teen Spirit' by Tim English. You can look at page 66 and 67 here to see what is said. Leaves it as an ambiguous open question. Still looking for the original Kooper interview.
http://books.google.com/books?id=j0ZU_S ... od&f=false


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2012, 02:13 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Hey Raging. It looks like its in a book called 'Sounds Like Teen Spirit' by Tim English. You can look at page 66 and 67 here to see what is said. Leaves it as an ambiguous open question. Still looking for the original Kooper interview.
http://books.google.com/books?id=j0ZU_S ... od&f=false


Awesome, Barefoot! You got much farther than I did! Like you, I would still love to find the original Kooper interview. It's an interesting twist, since the long standing opinion is that 4th Time was written after NW.


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raging_glory wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Hey Raging. It looks like its in a book called 'Sounds Like Teen Spirit' by Tim English. You can look at page 66 and 67 here to see what is said. Leaves it as an ambiguous open question. Still looking for the original Kooper interview.
http://books.google.com/books?id=j0ZU_S ... od&f=false


Awesome, Barefoot! You got much farther than I did! Like you, I would still love to find the original Kooper interview. It's an interesting twist, since the long standing opinion is that 4th Time was written after NW.

Although I like twists, I'm still not convinced.


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Location: ..right behind the living - just in front of the dead.
.. '4th Time Around' is The Real Song Against Northern Songs
- like the Movie that inspired a clip that was then paraded as a
trailer to it. My thought (coming straight outta my conspiratorial,
suspicion-riddled and cattle-ranch-on-the-m00n-mind) is that Bob
played it for them, and ... :shock: .....blah, blah, blah - my blah - not
anyone else's =-i'm blah-ing myself too lazy to quote or lookblah. .. 8)
..i've never understood the term 'trailer' to describe something that
is obviously operating as a tractor - pulling something behind it .. :roll:
while in front of it - why? .. why? .. my world .. my life .. my tractor my trailer is .. why?


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Grumpy-the-Buick wrote:
... and ... :shock: .....blah, blah, blah - my blah - not
anyone else's =-i'm blah-ing myself too lazy to quote or lookblah. ..

Best post of the day!


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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Hey Raging. It looks like its in a book called 'Sounds Like Teen Spirit' by Tim English. You can look at page 66 and 67 here to see what is said. Leaves it as an ambiguous open question. Still looking for the original Kooper interview.
http://books.google.com/books?id=j0ZU_S ... od&f=false




I just watched that video that DylanEgo posted with Al Cooper on the Blonde on Blonde sessions, and at about 44 minutes in he talks about Fourth Time Around and Norwegian Wood. He again says that he believes John heard Bob's first.


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