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 Post subject: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Sat July 10th, 2010, 19:10 GMT 

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After the disputed merits of the NET, it's the big hot topic among Dylan fans. There's so many, but a few I like are :

He been around the world ... and back again

The moon is almost hidden, the stars are beginning to hide

[The admittedly preposterous] He was wearing boxing gloves, he took a dive one day ... off the Golden Gate Bridge into China Bay

The opening of Idiot Wind, when that which seems to be straight forwardly autobiographical leads into They say I shot a man named Gray.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Sat July 10th, 2010, 19:26 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Sun July 11th, 2010, 00:39 GMT 

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telltale wrote:
After the disputed merits of the NET, it's the big hot topic among Dylan fans. There's so many, but a few I like are :

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[The admittedly preposterous] He was wearing boxing gloves, he took a dive one day ... off the Golden Gate Bridge into China Bay


A Nam vet was fighting the best he knew how for the right things as he knew them, (boxing gloves, he ain't got his M-16 anymore, or his trusty 81mm mortar), the Golden Gate is in San Francisco, home to the HaightAshbury love/magic of the "Kids" in the Sixties, so the symbology becomes: even in the presence of the love, despair at finding a place in society worth having drove him to death, cuz of Nam, (China Bay).


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Sun July 11th, 2010, 00:42 GMT 
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Looks like I've just learned my new word for the day.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 17:16 GMT 
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telltale wrote:
After the disputed merits of the NET, it's the big hot topic among Dylan fans. There's so many, but a few I like are :

He been around the world ... and back again

The moon is almost hidden, the stars are beginning to hide

[The admittedly preposterous] He was wearing boxing gloves, he took a dive one day ... off the Golden Gate Bridge into China Bay

The opening of Idiot Wind, when that which seems to be straight forwardly autobiographical leads into They say I shot a man named Gray.


It's one of those topics you just keep wanting to return to isn't it? I like "Riding first class trains, making the rounds ... tryin' to keep from fallin' between the cars".


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 17:46 GMT 
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Paraprosdokians-- so hard to say, so easy to understand.

Maybe these?

Beat a path of retreat up them spiral staircases

My woman got a face like a teddy bear
She’s tossin’ a baseball bat in the air


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 18:20 GMT 
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This one certainly applies to Bob:

To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 21:00 GMT 
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Robert Heitman wrote:
A Nam vet was fighting the best he knew how for the right things as he knew them, (boxing gloves, he ain't got his M-16 anymore, or his trusty 81mm mortar), the Golden Gate is in San Francisco, home to the HaightAshbury love/magic of the "Kids" in the Sixties, so the symbology becomes: even in the presence of the love, despair at finding a place in society worth having drove him to death, cuz of Nam, (China Bay).


superb! Another reason why it's such a fabulous song that SO many people completely miss


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 21:09 GMT 
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Looks like I've just learned my new word for the day.


Me, too. For a second there, I was afraid it was about another no-talent Kardashian family member.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Tue March 6th, 2012, 21:34 GMT 
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"Gonna save my money ... and rip it up!" - brilliant!


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 01:48 GMT 
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Myself, I'm a malaprop man.

I think that this may be a Paraprosdokian:

And I would send a message
To find out if she’s talked
But the post office has been stolen
And the mailbox is locked


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 01:56 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 10:49 GMT 
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http://www.englishforums.com/content/hu ... okians.htm

Oh, OK...


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:03 GMT 
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Just about every song in his arsenal contains them...

Ballad of a Thin Man

Bob Dylan's 115th Dream

Buckets of Rain

Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window

Cat's In the Well

Dignity

Dirt Road Blues...

...in fact it would almost be easier to list the Bob Dylan songs in which one won't find paraprosdokians...but I would never admit that Bob Dylan was anything less than hard anyway 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:20 GMT 
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I am not sure I quite understand them. So it means that the ending of the line makes you reassess the first part.

In that case, would these lines from Hard Rain count:

I saw a new-born baby with wild wolves all around it (I get, or at least got, a cosy image of a swaddling babe, then Bob brings the predators in).

I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it (lovely sparkly image, crashes into loneliness at the end).

I saw ten-thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken (rousing start, painful last bit).

If this is what paraprosdokians are, then are quite a lot of them in Dylan. He does a good job on pulling the rug out from under our feet, especially in the case of cliches.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:31 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:38 GMT 
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Talkin' Hava Negiliah Blues:

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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:47 GMT 
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capecod wrote:
Myself, I'm a malaprop man.

I think that this may be a Paraprosdokian:

And I would send a message
To find out if she’s talked
But the post office has been stolen
And the mailbox is locked

Let's not forget about:

An' he just smoked my eyelids
An' punched my cigarette.

When I heard this song for the first time I definitely did not see that coming :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:53 GMT 
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Yes, I guess I could make it without you
If I just didn’t feel so all alone


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 11:59 GMT 
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Honey, Just Allow Me One More Chance:

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I can’t find nobody
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2012, 13:12 GMT 
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people carried signs around
Saying, “Ban the bums”


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2012, 10:57 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2012, 17:33 GMT 
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There's not that many real ones. To be a valid paraprosdokian it has to be more than unusual or witty, it needs to make you change your line of thinking about what is being said. This is a good one.

Trev wrote:
"Riding first class trains, making the rounds ... tryin' to keep from fallin' between the cars".


At first I'm thinking: He's doing well, after all he's riding first class trains.
Then I think: No wait, he's not doing well. He's a hobo and he's riding on top of the first class trains.


Here's another one (I think):

Well my captain he’s decorated—he’s well schooled and he’s skilled
My captain, he’s decorated—he’s well schooled and he’s skilled
He’s not sentimental—don’t bother him at all
How many of his pals have been killed

At first you think his captain is a fine fellow.
Then you change your mind abruptly and think the opposite.


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 Post subject: Re: Favourite Dylan Paraprosdokians
PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2012, 18:26 GMT 
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I looked at my wrist
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