The Street(hyphen)Legal conundrum.

jcastro

Johanna Parker wrote:

jcastro wrote:

he feels and sings like a black man.

I love the black culture.

Here's one for you - Pony Blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoKKJjf-oQA

supermabel1 · **Joined:** Wed May 13th, 2009, 02:17 GMT **Posts:** 5055

SquareTotemPole wrote:

What
a delightful voice of reason and calm Ms Johanna Parker has become around
these parts. When I first spent time here, things could become a bit uncivil
at times.

How true, Mr Pole, how true

Johanna Parker

Yup, huh? I've come to like this place. Not sure what it was like on Wed June 14th, 2006, 11:23 GMT, but I feel we've come a long way. Both Senor and Where Are You Tonight come to mind....

Which leads me to an interesting thought:
Are Senor and Jokerman actually the same person/entity?

Still Go Barefoot · **Joined:** Fri July 15th, 2011, 03:23 GMT **Posts:** 10634

Johanna Parker wrote:

Are Senor and Jokerman actually the same person/entity?

No.

yopietro

Still Go Barefoot wrote:

Johanna Parker wrote:

Are Senor and Jokerman actually the same person/entity?

No.

To my ears, Señor is God. Jokerman is an aspect of Dylan himself.

Johanna Parker

Still Go Barefoot wrote:

Johanna Parker wrote:

Are Senor and Jokerman actually the same person/entity?

No.

Why?

Johanna Parker

yopietro wrote:

To my ears, Señor is God. Jokerman is an aspect of Dylan himself.

Both have at one time or another been claimed to be Jesus. This to me makes more sense in connection with Senor, overturning tables and actually walking on earth with someone.

yopietro

Johanna Parker wrote:

yopietro wrote:

To my ears, Señor is God. Jokerman is an aspect of Dylan himself.

Both have at one time or another been claimed to be Jesus. This to me makes more sense in connection with Senor, overturning tables and actually walking on earth with someone.

In Spanish, people address the "Lord" as "Señor." It's a word for God in Spanish.

Johanna Parker

Thanks, yes, I've heard that. Looking at the lyrics though, it seems to be neither totally one or the other.

yopietro

Johanna Parker wrote:

Thanks, yes, I've heard that. Looking at the lyrics though, it seems to be neither totally one or the other.

I guess that's the beauty of Dylan. The ambiguity and the possibility of double meanings and multiple interpretations.

Johanna Parker

That makes him worthy of discussion, and each of us brings their own ideas and interpretations to his work. It's a wonderful thing to share.

Still Go Barefoot · **Joined:** Fri July 15th, 2011, 03:23 GMT **Posts:** 10634

Johanna Parker wrote:

yopietro wrote:

To my ears, Señor is God. Jokerman is an aspect of Dylan himself.

Both have at one time or another been claimed to be Jesus. This to me makes more sense in connection with Senor, overturning tables and actually walking on earth with someone.

"Two men say they're Jesus. One of 'em must be wrong."

Johanna Parker

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=KJV

yopietro

Johanna Parker wrote:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10:30&version=KJV

"The three men I admired most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost..." (McLean 10:30)

Sphere

yopietro wrote:

I guess that's the beauty of Dylan. The ambiguity and the possibility of double meanings and multiple interpretations.

Everybody must get stoned!

Johanna Parker

yopietro wrote:

Johanna Parker wrote:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10:30&version=KJV

"The three men I admired most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost..." (McLean 10:30)

They may refer to different characters in the song that the biblical trinity.

yopietro

yopietro wrote:

"The three men I admired most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost..." (McLean 10:30)

Johanna Parker wrote:

They may refer to different characters in the song that the biblical trinity.

Still Go Barefoot · **Joined:** Fri July 15th, 2011, 03:23 GMT **Posts:** 10634

gibsona07 wrote:

Street-Legal is both Dylan's greatest and worst album...Street-Legal is such a conundrum...It's as equally terrific as it is awful.

I wouldn't say greatest nor worst. No, definitely not the worst (we've all tasted that Christmas album). It's a good album, though it is a bit inconsistent, I agree, certainly works though. I never regret putting it on.

gibsona07 wrote:

The influence of Springsteen I think is key yet Dylan manages to surpass this influence and sound like a poor imitation in almost equal measure.

Gimme a break. Springsteen's got nuthin' on Mr. D.

onetwomany

Still Go Barefoot wrote:

gibsona07 wrote:

Street-Legal is both Dylan's greatest and worst album...Street-Legal is such a conundrum...It's as equally terrific as it is awful.

I wouldn't say greatest nor worst. No, definitely not the worst (we've all tasted that Christmas album). It's a good album, though it is a bit inconsistent, I agree, certainly works though. I never regret putting it on.

gibsona07 wrote:

The influence of Springsteen I think is key yet Dylan manages to surpass this influence and sound like a poor imitation in almost equal measure.

Gimme a break. Springsteen's got nuthin' on Mr. D.

I got's to say aye on that. STB still goes barefoot. And that's a fact..

It is dangerous when I enter the Bob Dylan Dicussio Threads.

Pardon Me, I'm a child of divorce.

onetwomany

My main conundrum with Street~Legal is still finding out more and who knows more about Emmett Grogan..

Johanna Parker

yopietro wrote:

"The three men I admired most
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost..." (McLean 10:30)

Johanna Parker wrote:

They may refer to different characters in the song that the biblical trinity.

Well, thanks for those pictures, but what I was saying was that all the characters in "American Pie" are musicians. "The jester played for the king and queen in a coat he borrowed from James Dean" = Dylan, Elvis and Joan. And so forth. Whoever the father, son and holy ghost are, I'd have to look up some interpretations.

Still Go Barefoot · **Joined:** Fri July 15th, 2011, 03:23 GMT **Posts:** 10634

onetwomany wrote:

I got's to say aye on that. STB still goes barefoot. And that's a fact..

I'm a little slow. What's STB?

yopietro

Johanna Parker wrote:

They may refer to different characters in the song that the biblical trinity.

Johanna Parker wrote:

Well, thanks for those pictures, but what I was saying was that all the characters in "American Pie" are musicians. "The jester played for the king and queen in a coat he borrowed from James Dean" = Dylan, Elvis and Joan. And so forth. Whoever the father, son and holy ghost are, I'd have to look up some interpretations.

The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost in American Pie are often interpreted in the song to be Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and J.P Richardson (a.k.a. The Big Bopper), who were killed when that plane went down in 1959 in Iowa...the day the music died.

Johanna Parker

Yes, I thought that was what it was.

Russ333 · **Joined:** Wed March 30th, 2011, 21:03 GMT **Posts:** 325

Don McLean when asked the meaning of American Pie:

"It means I don't have to work anymore."

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