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Yeah, it was only the thought that if we have to stop at another checkpoint to show the tickets once again this will lead to more confusion than necessary, regardless if them security people can read or not. It's a pity that there will be no separate entry for the FoS ticket holders.

Someone remember those straps around the wrists of those who were allowed to enter the front of stage section some years ago?

Yes, I don't understand why they can't have a separate entrance. I guess they expect old, peaceful fans who cannot or will not run, push, or any of that.

I find it odd if FoS ticketholders don't get to enter through a seperate gate, or at least have early entrance options (Maybe similair to that of the Ahoy rotterdam show for MK ticketholders) What I figured would be the case is that the standing area is split up, there will be a gate in the middle so that the FoS ticket holders can stand on one side of the gate, while the normal ticket holders stand behind it.

Either way, as soon as the gate opens i'll be running to the stage as a chicken on a Kentucky farm. And saving spots for us all! Unless everyone just walks, then there's no reason to run.

Edit: I think I saw a picture of someone who bought a ticket on Eventim.de.. The site Dylan's tour page links too. But that site doesn't have a FoS option, just a standing ticket.. But his ticket said Front of stage. So maybe in the end it won't matter which ticket you have as long as you're there early? I don't know.. It's good that we have FoS tickets though, just to be sure.

It's likely that they will issue wristbands for FOS (or collect your ticket), to make sure you can get in and out (not that any of you would want that). I highly doubt that they offer a seperate entrance, seperate toilets, seperate food stands and seperate merchandise booths just for FOS.

Stopping at another "checkpoint" is standard procedure at some / a lot of bigger venues (Arena Oberhausen being one of them, so y'all should know this).

See, it's not security or the "system" that causes the problems, it's overzealous fans who do. You bought a FOS ticket, which means you and a thousand others will be in front of the barrier, closest to the stage, AND YOU WILL GET IN THERE, no matter what.

You didn't buy an early entry ticket, you didn't buy a spot at the rail, you didn't buy a spot where Bob can see you. Just behave like civilized adults and all will be fine.

They wouldn't offer FOS if they were just going to let the early birds in the cage. Bob's people might know about the FOS option, but it is pretty obvious by the way the official site handles the dates for this tour that they simply do not care for those crazies who would like to chose the best option to get close up.

Oh heck, in Mainz last year, it sure was the so-called security and system that caused chaos and danger. Everybody knew exactly what was going to happen, except those guards who just said they were not responsible.

Check your calendar, you're four days late.

That´s how it happened ....even I am uncivilized

What exactly happened in Mainz last year? I keep seeying references to how bad it was

Someone made a sketch of the scene, let's see if I can find it. The entrance was build on the other side of a road, fences fell over, other fences could not be opened, people got crushed against barriers, it was highly chaotic and dangerous.

I don´t think this front of stage thingy will make any problems if handled well.
All they need is barriers and enough security people.
In addition they may have time to practice because there are concerts from Lou Reed and others before the Dylan Date..
and I assume they offer the same presale with front of stage option there too..

Yes, it was chaotic but it wasn't really as dangerous as some folks say !
There was plenty of free space around, not like in Duisburg where people were caught between walls.
I mean, all of us stayed in their spots although we knew an hour in advance that there was no good way anymore to solve the problem.
People would just have left the front part of the waiting area if it had really been that dangerous.

Apart from the facts that it only really got bad after the rush started, and just before it was darn near impossible to leave. Congrats if you didn't mind, but I know a few people who were badly shaken for a good while after getting in.

You say ( and it's a matter fact ) everyone,including you, KNEW what was gonna happen way in advance !
So all of us had the choice to go away from the "danger zone", by staying there we kind of accepted that would be chaotic !
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen !

So people were crowding at the gate and once they opened it was a huge chaos as everyone tried to get to the front of the stage? Or am I understanding it wrong?

The real chaos always starts when Bob hits the stage

As I recall, you were at the moveable fence, I was in the middle of a real tight crowd, so there.... but well, whatever.

When we were stuck against the fence, it was not possible to move anymore. Do you remember Alrik, i was at your right, i told you i was afraid, and you answered "Don't worry, i'm here".

Ok, i get out of the kitchen.

It is good when somebody saves you.

Wow, that's what i said ?!
Looks like i'm a freakin' hero

Okay, i'll just try to make clear my point again.
WE ALL DID KNOW that smth like that would happen. There was absolutely no doubt about it, bcs there were no other options
So all of us had the chance to move to a more convenient place but NO ONE did !
I can only speak for myself but it was clear that if there was real, serious pressure from the back those ridiculous removable fences would easily collapse.
Then there would be the space of ten football fields ahead of us to go to - the same behind us btw.
So, it's not like i enjoyed being pushed against the fence but there was no real danger that anybody would get mashed cos there was SO MUCH space.

And come on, boris honey, don't be hypocrisy, i still got your exact words in my ears when this first fence got removed

I'm with you.
But as you well know, people - and I blieve you know a lot of them - are coming early to the gates. Most of them obviously to get a good place at the rails, for whatever reasons. They are not amused, I daresay, when eventually they get outrun by those who came later and therefore are trying to keep their (alleged) right of "first gate, first rail".

Lets show up with flyers saying this: Don't push, don't run, let's walk to the stage calmly in order of appearance at the gates. Do you think it will work? No, you don't. We all know, if the first is breaking these rules the others will break them, too.

That's one reason, security is needed at all and security should know what to expect. A good organisation can help a lot and a separate entrance situation for FOS ticket holders would be part of a good organisation.

But anyway, in Mainz there were merly low-brow security actors and I was told by the Bonn promoter that they are fully aware of what happened in Mainz and would handle everything fine.

And by the way: when there were the days of those wristbands, I didn't try to get one, stood at the 2nd rail and sight and sound were ok.

So, come on now, the main point is: can I play before the show for the cue AND can I get back to my space in the cue where I was when I arrived? If not, I won´t play no more....which maybe in fact will be highly appreciated by some people

Btw, I am sure: it will be all good

...and how about this anyway?:
Well, if I die
On top of the hill
And if I don’t make it
You know my baby will

Ofc you'll get your spot back !

that´s what I want to hear Alrik, thx, but besides that we all know: pay for your ticket and don´t complain

If anyone wants to train, I've been working with a pt to develop the bob dylan obstacle course in my backyard. Come and get smashed into a fence, see it complete with a replica of the old fortress at Spandau, moat and all.
Part of it extends to the park near my house. I can run the length of two american footbll fields in 2 minutes and 37 seconds!