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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 01:14 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
If you can't conform to the NET, you are banned from the NET.... :roll: ....there's no ticket for half a NET.

This, Contradiction Parker, is called Thread De-railing and is against forum rules.
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussion ... =6&t=68941


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 03:24 GMT 
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arthurprecarious would make an exception for me, I'm sure. He knows I'd never steer anyone wrong. And besides, to arbitrarily rule out the Bob's Greatest show automatically means we're talking about Bob's second greatest show... which admittedly would be a fascinatingly odd topic.


Sorry UP. No exceptions - Rule 2 applies across the thread. Perhaps you can take up the challenge of a thread on the greatest NET show. Bit pointless as we know it's the last night at Hammersmith 1990. Go with the 2nd greatest NET show eh?
So then, since you've disbarred the greatest live show in the history of the universe, what we're really trying to decide is a consensus on Bob's second greatest show....

Oh man, that's a little more difficult. There's so many to choose from. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
I don't know how you expect to build a consensus on a question that you've tailored to your own preconceived opinion. (In this case, the opinion that any show after 2000 cannot be considered greater than the best shows before 2000.) If you're so confident of that, then why try to arbitrarily limit the selection in the fashion you have done? Essentially, you're saying the opinions of people who think Bob has been a better performer post-2000 than he was earlier in his career are not valid to be considered, even though you claim to be looking for a consensus. To arrive at a consensus you must at least take into account all opinions, even though minority views may ultimately not be reflected by the final outcome.


Um, I dont want to state the bleeding obvious here, but:

IT'S BLEEDING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH EARS THAT NO SHOW FROM 2000 ONWARDS CAN POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED THE BEST PERFORMANCE BOB DYLAN HAS GIVEN.

if you can't wrap your head around that simple truth, well you should maybe book a long holiday to Common Sense Island sharpish. Dont bother sending a postcard - we'll be too busy discussing the really great music to miss you.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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Bennyboy wrote:
The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
I don't know how you expect to build a consensus on a question that you've tailored to your own preconceived opinion. (In this case, the opinion that any show after 2000 cannot be considered greater than the best shows before 2000.) If you're so confident of that, then why try to arbitrarily limit the selection in the fashion you have done? Essentially, you're saying the opinions of people who think Bob has been a better performer post-2000 than he was earlier in his career are not valid to be considered, even though you claim to be looking for a consensus. To arrive at a consensus you must at least take into account all opinions, even though minority views may ultimately not be reflected by the final outcome.


Um, I dont want to state the bleeding obvious here, but:

IT'S BLEEDING OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH EARS THAT NO SHOW FROM 2000 ONWARDS CAN POSSIBLY BE CONSIDERED THE BEST PERFORMANCE BOB DYLAN HAS GIVEN.

if you can't wrap your head around that simple truth, well you should maybe book a holiday to Common Sense Island sharpish.


He's obviously pointing out that if it's such an obvious notion than the parameters given by the survey administrator are obviously excessive, unnecessary and only taint the validity of the research inquiry. This should be obvious to anyone with eyes and a heart bent towards the scientific method... obviously.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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Well, after my last few posts were deleted (Hi Charles!), all I can say is:

If you nominate any post 2000 show, your words and views are null and void in any consensus.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 12:19 GMT 
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MMD wrote:
Johanna Parker wrote:
If you can't conform to the NET, you are banned from the NET.... :roll: ....there's no ticket for half a NET.

This, Contradiction Parker, is called Thread De-railing and is against forum rules.
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussion ... =6&t=68941


Skipping half the NET is against the rules of nature and logic, as I have politely explained above. The original question was can we get a consensus, not which is the best show.

Playing by rules I fail to see the logic of, I would like to nominate the 1994 performance at Nara. I just listened back recently and it is stunning.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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I think this thread demonstrates that consensus cannot be had regarding Dylan's "Greatest show". That being said, I was just looking at this thread again and noticed thank no one has linked to the Top 75 Concerts thread where ER compiled the Top 75 Concerts in Dylan's career up to 2007. The list is as follows:

The Final List: The Top 75 Dylan Concerts
November 4, 1961 – Carnegie Chapter Hall, New York, NY
July 2, 1962 – Finjan Club, Montreal, Quebec
October, 1962 – Gaslight Café, New York, NY
April 12, 1963 – Town Hall, New York, NY
October 26, 1963 – Carnegie Hall, New York, NY
May 7, 1965 – Free Trade Hall, Manchester, England
July 25, 1965 – Newport Folk Festival, Newport, RI
September 3, 1965 – Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, CA
December 4, 1965 – Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA
April 12, 1966 – Sydney Stadium, Sydney, Australia
May 16, 1966 – Gaumont Theatre, Sheffield, England
May 17, 1966 – Free Trade Hall, Manchester, England
January 20, 1968 – Woody Guthrie Memorial Concert, New York, NY
August 31, 1969 – Isle of Wight, England
February 14, 1974 (afternoon) – The Forum, Los Angeles, CA
October 31, 1975 – War Memorial Auditorium, Plymouth, MA
November 11, 1975 – Palace Theater, Waterbury, CT
November 21, 1975 (evening) – Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA
December 1, 1975 – Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, Ontario
December 8, 1975 – Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
May 3,1976 - The Warehouse New Orleans, Louisiana
May 16, 1976 – Tarrant County Convention Center Arena, Fort Worth, TX
May 23, 1976 – Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO
July 6, 1978 – Pavillon de Paris, Paris, France
December 10, 1978 – Charlotte Coliseum, Charlotte, NC
November 16, 1979 – Fox Warfield Theater, San Francisco, CA
April 20, 1980 – Massey Hall, Toronto, CA
November 15, 1980 – Fox Warfield Theater, San Francisco, CA
June 29, 1981 – Earls Court, London, England
July 25, 1981 – Palace des Sports, Avignon, France
November 10, 1981 – Saenger Performing Arts Center, New Orleans, LA
November 12, 1981 – The Summit, Houston, TX
June 28, 1984 – Minestadio, Barcelona, Spain
February 24, 1986 – Entertainment Centre, Sydney, Australia
September 12, 1987 – Autodroma, Modena, Italy
June 10, 1988 – The Greek Theater, Berkeley, CA
June 30, 1988 – Jones Beach Music Theater, Wantaugh, PA
October 19, 1988 – Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY
February 8, 1990 – Hammersmith Odeon, London, England
May 9, 1992 – State University, San Jose, CA
September 12, 1993 – Greet Woods Performing Arts Center, Mansfield, MA
November 16, 1993 (both) – The Supper Club, New York, NY
November 17, 1993 (both) – The Supper Club, New York, NY
August 14, 1994 – Woodstock ’94, West Saugerties, NY
October 8, 1994 – Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA
March 11, 1995 – Congress Hall, Prague, Czech Republic
March 30, 1995 – Brixton Academy, London, England
March 31, 1995 – Brixton Academy, London, England
June 17, 1996 – Tempodrome, Berlin, Germany
December 8, 1997 – Irving Plaza, New York, NY
December 19, 1997 – El Rey Theater, Los Angeles, CA
May 19, 1998 – San Jose Arena, San Jose, CA
June 9, 1998 – Globe Arena, Stockholm, Sweden
April 28, 1999 – Hala Tivoli, Ljubljana, Slovenia
June 14, 1999 – University of Oregon, Eugene, OR
November 14, 1999 – Centrum Arena, Worcester, MA
March 10, 2000 (late) – Sun Theatre, Anaheim, CA
March 15, 2000 – Civic Auditorium, Santa Cruz, CA
March 16, 2000 – Civic Auditorium, Santa Cruz, CA
September 24, 2000 – Guildhall, Portsmouth, England
September 25, 2000 – Guildhall, Portsmouth, England
October 1, 2000 – Halle Muensterland, Muenster, Germany
October 6, 2000 – Wembley Arena, London, England
October 5, 2001 – Spokane Arena, Spokane, WA
February 9, 2002 – Phillips Arena, Atlanta, GA
October 7, 2002 – Tehama County Fairgrounds, Red Bluff, CA
November 13, 2002 – Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
November 23, 2003 – Shepherds Bush Empire, London, England
November 24, 2003 – Hammersmith Apollo, London, England
November 25, 2003 – Brixton Academy, London, England
July 10, 2004 – Estadia Municipal Escribano Castilla, Motril, Spain
November 13, 2004 – Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
November 27, 2005 – The Point Theatre, Dublin, Ireland
November 12, 2006 – Agganis Arena, Boston, MA
November 20, 2006 – New York City Center, New York, NY


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 17:58 GMT 
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that's so cool that the ranking quality ended up the same as the chronological order ! :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 18:12 GMT 
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That's probably not sorted by votes.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 18:40 GMT 
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Predictable that the three successive 2003 London shows get in there. I was at Hammersmith and Brixton. They were good, but non-objective allowances have been made for him these past 25 years, because he's generally been as sonorous as a wheezing giraffe. Any straw is grabbed at. So, as much as I enjoyed those two shows, I know they were only about fit enough to hold the doors open for almost any other '66 show, that should have been ushered in and given a motorcycle escort directly to the top table.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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JRJ wrote:
August 31, 1969 – Isle of Wight, England


Why?

Perhaps significant, for some reasons that you could make up, but fairly desultory, sloppy and short for a concert.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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No love for Nara?


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 19:51 GMT 
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I'm childlike in nature: I believe that $20 in singles is more money than a $20 bill.

With this in mind, Toad's Place from 1990 is Bob Dylan's greatest show.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
PostPosted: Wed June 13th, 2012, 21:04 GMT 
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Picking just one is insane, but...ok. Tokyo, 10th February 1997


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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What a joke that Top 75 concerts list is! You might as well have called it "List of soundboard recordings and Crystal Cats"

Atlanta February 2002? You're havin' a laugh.

Red Bluff 2002? Probably one of the worst shows from the fall 2002 tour.

Just because it's available in great quality, doesn't make it one of Dylan's greatest gigs.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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Bennyboy wrote:
Well, after my last few posts were deleted (Hi Charles!), all I can say is:

If you nominate any post 2000 show, your words and views are null and void in any consensus.

In one deliberately and explicitly designed to exclude such views from consideration in the first place, certainly, yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
Bennyboy wrote:
Well, after my last few posts were deleted (Hi Charles!), all I can say is:

If you nominate any post 2000 show, your words and views are null and void in any consensus.

In one deliberately and explicitly designed to exclude such views from consideration in the first place, certainly, yes.


No - its called a thread and the OP has stated the rules. What kind of monkey are you - you been smoking too many of those funny fags in the lab?


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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justlikeaman wrote:
What a joke that Top 75 concerts list is! You might as well have called it "List of soundboard recordings and Crystal Cats"

Atlanta February 2002? You're havin' a laugh.

Red Bluff 2002? Probably one of the worst shows from the fall 2002 tour.

Just because it's available in great quality, doesn't make it one of Dylan's greatest gigs.


Like Finjan Club. For such an early show, it was captured in excellent sound. But the performance isn't that remarkable.


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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The next performance consensus thread will ask users to name the worst performing year of Dylan's career, and be limited to 1988-2012. Get your thinking caps on, kiddies. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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Sorry UP. No exceptions - Rule 2 applies across the thread. Perhaps you can take up the challenge of a thread on the greatest NET show. Bit pointless as we know it's the last night at Hammersmith 1990. Go with the 2nd greatest NET show eh?[/quote]So then, since you've disbarred the greatest live show in the history of the universe, what we're really trying to decide is a consensus on Bob's second greatest show....

No - don't you understand UP? You seem to be a clever guy. Rule two is simple. No post 2000 shows allowed. I haven't had to say anything but some other posters have. Post 2000 shows are simply NOT worthy. As I said, if you want to start a post 2000 thread go right ahead.

Oh man, that's a little more difficult. There's so many to choose from. :?[/quote]


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Post 2000 shows are simply NOT worthy.


:!: :!: :!:


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Predictable that the three successive 2003 London shows get in there. I was at Hammersmith and Brixton. They were good, but non-objective allowances have been made for him these past 25 years, because he's generally been as sonorous as a wheezing giraffe. Any straw is grabbed at. So, as much as I enjoyed those two shows, I know they were only about fit enough to hold the doors open for almost any other '66 show, that should have been ushered in and given a motorcycle escort directly to the top table.



I was at MSG 11/13/2002. GREAT setlist! Great show - no effing way!


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 Post subject: Re: Can we get a consensus on Bob's Greatest show?
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Bennyboy wrote:
Ok, lets make this easier:

Video: Fort Collins '76
Audio: Manchester '66



Have absolutely no evidence which would refute this so OKAY.

Manchester 66 may be the greatest show if votes are cast based on >SHOCK & AWE<

which for me are essential criteria


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the_revelator wrote:
Bennyboy wrote:
Ok, lets make this easier:

Video: Fort Collins '76
Audio: Manchester '66



Have absolutely no evidence which would refute this so OKAY.

Manchester 66 may be the greatest show if votes are cast based on >SHOCK & AWE<

which for me are essential criteria


The most shock and awe comes from the Hawks, they were great. Dylan, at times (unfortunately) sounds like a little kid who just made a pee-pee in his pants.


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