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 Post subject: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 20:36 GMT 
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I was thinking today; it may be the last we get of these current (well, since 2009) setlists.

With the new songs upon us I wonder which of the older songs Bob will add and which of them he will drop.

I wonder if we will get a new standard 4 or so song closer this Fall with the new songs.

Will the new album change the sets and setlist variations much (or possibly not as mentioned in a previous thread about 'Together Through Life') :wink:

Though it may possibly change as this new album is different from TTL as it has nothing to do with a film.

In any case; I was just pondering this today :)


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri July 27th, 2012, 20:47 GMT 
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My theory is it will be as it has been for a long time. Some of the classics he will keep as he always does, exchanging some of his more recent songs for some of the newest. Unless he wrote a new TOTM (or Jolene), I don't think the encores will change much. Of course, the change has already started, so the real question to me is, will all the new songs be played at the grand piano? Will he finally completely drop the keyboard, which is very much in the way visually?


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Sat July 28th, 2012, 17:41 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Sat July 28th, 2012, 17:51 GMT 
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Indications are that this will be a "big" album so I think we'll see some changes, though it may happen gradually over the next couple tours. The only question is whether he'll get rid of older songs or newer ones to make room. I suspect it will be a bit of both...I hope he continues down the path of building his shows around newer material. I do think there will be a change to the concluding segment, he's typically put a new song in near the end, even doing Jolene for a long while despite many people being less than thrilled with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Sat July 28th, 2012, 18:00 GMT 

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Okay, I did this from memory, so please don't stone me if I missed something. What to expect from the Fall 2012 tour (I expect zero changes for the Aug/Sep shows!)

"TOOM" really was the last album where new songs affected the set structure immediately, so we shouldn't expect miracles, however, "TOOM" came after a seven year silence (and considering the lack of airplay for the "TTL" songs, it's been six years since he put out an album that got played live), he was very keen to promote it and it signaled a shift in sound, thus it made sense to play lots of new songs in prominent slots. All this *could* (Fingers crossed!) apply for "Tempest" as well. But just don't get your hopes up too high.

For "TOOM"

Roughly four new songs where played in a 15/16 song set on the first full tour after the album release (Fall 1997). This was the first new material in seven years and the "Red Sky" songs had pretty much vanished from the setlist by 1991, so the new stuff mostly replaced "Oldies".

Unlike the albums that followed, the "TOOM" songs immediately occupied certain slots in the setlist, some of them quite prominent (two in the first six-song electric set), "Til I Fell In Love With You" as the first song in the second electric set, not much later it was used as the main set closer.

With "Love Sick", a new song was always performed in the encore, a trend that has continued with all subsequent albums.

Less than half a year after the release, there were as many as three new songs in the opening six-song electric set and up to six songs in total in a 16 song set.

It took years before a "TOOM" song became the opening number, though.

10 out of 11 songs were played live, nine of them often or very often, and "Dirt Road Blues" was used in "M&A".



For "L&T":

Roughly 4-5 new song per night on the first (US Fall) tour, albeit in a long 20 song set, mostly replaced any "TOOM" songs that used to be in the set before.

None of the new songs were played in crucial spots such as first three, last, first encore etc. The first new song came at #5.

One of the new songs ("Honest With me") was played in the encore.

One years after the album's release (2002 Fall tour), songs from "L&T" were used as the opener (sometimes) and main set closer (always).

All of the songs were played live. Many, many, many times.



For "MT":

On the first (Fall 2006) tour after the release, relatively few new songs were played at first, the number rapidly progressed as the tour went on, though. The set was shorter (around 16 songs) though, so percentage was about the same as above.

By the end of the first tour, one new song was the first (of a two song) encore, and another one was used at the set opener a few times. "TOTM" eventually became a set closer on later tours, although not for long.

Key songs from the previous album, like the closing "Summer Days", initially stayed where they were before.

All songs were played live, most of them to death. ("Somebody Baby" had only been played once, in 1990 :-))



For "TTL":

On the first tour after the release (Summer 2009) usually only one or two songs were played, this was mostly a co-headlining tour, though. There were a number of nights with three new songs in a 14 song set, making the percentage not drastically different compared to previous albums.

"Jolene" was played in the encore (much like "love Sick", "Honest With Me" and "Thunder" before.)

Apart from that, the songs never occupied crucial slots in the setlist, neither on the first tour nor later.

Key songs from the previous two albums stayed where they were, often outnumbering the "TTL" songs on the setlists.

It should be noted though that the number of "TTL" songs was considerably higher during the Fall 2009 tour, with 4-5 songs on average, matching the average from previous albums.

8 of the 10 songs were played live, but only two made it into heavy rotation, the lowest number of original songs since "Red Sky" in 1990.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Mon July 30th, 2012, 19:48 GMT 
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Good analysis, but...

AutodesSchreckens wrote:
For "MT":

All songs were played live, most of them to death. ("Somebody Baby" had only been played once, in 1990 :-))


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Mon July 30th, 2012, 20:43 GMT 
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^^
Toad's Place, as I recall.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Wed August 1st, 2012, 00:22 GMT 
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Actually, the song he played at Toad's Place was "Trouble No More," a Muddy Waters song from which His Bobness borrowed "Someday Baby."

I don't believe "Someday Baby" has ever been played live.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 18:08 GMT 
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I always say Together Through Life was a soundtrack album which he felt like making a whole album of as is why we do not get as much songs from it or promotion. This new album is an album all about him so I hope we get many, if not all, of the songs live this Autumn as Mark will have a new album to promote as well :)


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 18:20 GMT 
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If they don't tell us at last minute that Richard co-wrote it..... :|


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 20:21 GMT 

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In any case it should be a safe bet that he plays Early Roman Kings during the August Tour. Good for those who picked "a new unexpected song" at the pool...


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 21:04 GMT 
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Beyond Here Lies Nothin' was released in late March and still not played on the 2009 spring tour.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Thu August 2nd, 2012, 21:47 GMT 
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Setlist analysis from 2 shows from 2006 "Modern Times" tour -

(I think there was a substantial amount of new material on the tour following the release of MODERN TIMES)

From two concerts I saw shortly after the release of MT

Fairfax, Va. Nov. 17, 2006

Cat's In the Well
Senor
Rollin' and Tumblin'
Boots of Spanish Leather
Cold Irons Bound
When the Deal Goes Down
High Water (for Charley Patton)
Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine)
Masters of War
Spirit On the Water
Tangled Up In Blue
Nettie Moore
Highway 61 Revisited
Love Sick
Thunder On The Mountain
Like A Rolling Stone
All Along the Watchtower

New York, New York November 20, 2006

The Levee's Gonna Break
Senor
Rollin' and Tumblin'
Boots of Spanish Leather
High Water (for Charley Patton)
When The Deal Goes Down
It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
Don't Think Twice, It's Alright
Tangled Up In Blue
Spirit On the Water
Highway 61 Revisited
Nettie Moore
Summer Days
Ain't Talkin'
Thunder On the Mountain
Like A Rolling Stone

In Fairfax - 5 of 17 songs off the new release, MT
In New York - 7 of 16 songs off the new release, MT

songs from the Rolling Stone list of '10 Greatest Dylan Songs' -

(Every Grain of Sand, VOJ, MTM, It's Alright Ma, I Shall Be Released, AATW, JLAW, TUIB, Hard Rain, LARS)

In Fairfax - 3 (TUIB, LARS, AATW)
In New York - 3 (It's Alright Ma, TUIB, LARS)

Songs from what I think of as "The Hits/War Horses" - songs for which he is most famous which inevitably show up on setlists - (from Bob quote "Play the hits, they wanna hear the hits")

In Fairfax - 1 (Hwy 61)
In New York - 2 (Don't Think Twice, Hwy 61)

This breaks down into

Fairfax - 17 songs
new release - 5
immediate back catalog (TOOM, L&T) - 3
RS Dylan Top 10 - 2
"The Hits" - 2

openings left on setlist - 5

New York - 16 songs
new release - 7
immediate back catalog (TOOM, L&T) - 2 (immediate back catalog NOW includes MT & TTL)
RS Dylan Top 10 - 3
"The Hits" - 2

openings left on setlist - 2

Admittedly, the shows in NYC (long considered 'hometown' shows) usually offer something special, in this case "Ain't Talkin'"


I offer this as an example of how many songs may appear off the new album, assuming he will want to promote it as heavily as he promoted MODERN TIMES in the fall 2006 tour.

Assume the songs from "Dylan 10 Greatest" will recur - "It's Alright, Ma," TUIB, LARS, AATW

Assume at least 2 "Hits/War Horses" each show, possibly more

Leaves between 2-6 songs that are 'up for grabs' - which are usually favorites that rotate in a particular period of time because he likes them (examples from recent years: Cold Irons Bound, Love Sick, High Water, Thunder On the Mountain, Summer Days, Tweedle Dee) plus classic back catalog. Because 2012 is an election year in the U.S., assume at least one 'political song' to appear in each night's setlist up until the election (possibilities include - Hard Rain, It's Alright Ma, BITW, Masters of War).

The window was narrow for the possibility of anything out of the ordinary or "surprises."(Songs that stand out as "surprises" in concerts I've seen in the last 20 years include "Searching For A Soldiers Grave," "Hazel" -at that time rarely performed).

This is all based on 2006 and may be pointless as a possible template for the upcoming tour if he doesn't have 4-7 strong songs on "Tempest" he thinks can be performed well in concert.

In addition, this analysis is only for setlists for the U.S., a fall tour following a new release. I don't pretend to know what kind of patterns there are for European shows, which are not debuts of new albums, where he performs less frequently and presumably to a somewhat different crowd than U.S. audiences.

Final thought - Bob on keyboards has been a factor for at least the last 6 years - there's probably a good reason for that (possibly some problems with his hands) and no reason to think it won't continue.


Just a thought, after thinking about setlists past. All this is of course subjective.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Sun August 5th, 2012, 15:00 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
Beyond Here Lies Nothin' was released in late March and still not played on the 2009 spring tour.
I think its doubtful he'll play anything prior to its official release like he did years ago. Early Roman Kings being released August 7... who knows, he may actually open the first show with it just because he's Bob Dylan... or, this may be the one tune from the album that never gets a live performance.

It all depends on the mood he's in... whatever he does, he'll do what he wants to because he pretty much always has.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Wed August 8th, 2012, 10:02 GMT 

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Untrodden Path wrote:
I think its doubtful he'll play anything prior to its official release like he did years ago. Early Roman Kings being released August 7... who knows, he may actually open the first show with it just because he's Bob Dylan... or, this may be the one tune from the album that never gets a live performance.

It all depends on the mood he's in... whatever he does, he'll do what he wants to because he pretty much always has.


I think the Bob Dylan you're thinking off has left the building years ago. Once you start playing songs based on weekdays, any spontaneity pretty much is out of the picture.

Most likely he'll play three or fours songs off the new album each night starting on the first date of the MK tour (depending on how long his set will be), he'll rotate five or six at first, this will go up to seven by the end of the tour and sometime in 2013 he will have played eight or nine of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 10:58 GMT 
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And.......todays cue shee looks like this:
1. Leopard
2. Ramona / Love minus zero
3. Things have changed
4. Tangles up in blue
5. Honest with me / Tweedle dee
6. Make you feel my love / Sugar Baby
7. Levee's gonna break
8. Desolation row
9. High water
10. Spirit on the water
11. Highway 61
12. Love sick / Simple twist of fate / Forgetful heart
13. Thunder
14. Thin man
15. Like a rolling stone
16. all along the watchtower
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17. Blowin' in the wind


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 11:26 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 11:35 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
:roll:


You're right he will skip Thunder and will do Early roman kings the next 500 shows :lol:

After looking past Friday shows theres a 99% chance that the setlist will look like that.
This would mean:
1. Leopard
2. Ramona / Love minus zero
3. Things have changed
4. Tangles up in blue
5. Honest with me / Tweedle dee
6. Make you feel my love / Sugar Baby
7. Levee's gonna break
8. Desolation row
9. High water
10. Spirit on the water
11. Highway 61
12. Love sick / Simple twist of fate / Forgetful heart
13. Early roman kings
14. Thin man
15. Like a rolling stone
16. all along the watchtower
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17. Blowin' in the wind


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 11:46 GMT 
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And you will delight us with your fortune telling skills for all of them, I'm sure.


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PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 22:02 GMT 
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Maria wrote:
And.......todays cue shee looks like this:
1. Leopard
2. Ramona / Love minus zero
3. Things have changed
4. Tangles up in blue
5. Honest with me / Tweedle dee
6. Make you feel my love / Sugar Baby
7. Levee's gonna break
8. Desolation row
9. High water
10. Spirit on the water
11. Highway 61
12. Love sick / Simple twist of fate / Forgetful heart
13. Thunder
14. Thin man
15. Like a rolling stone
16. all along the watchtower
--
17. Blowin' in the wind




At least I know I'll do good in the Pool tonight :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 22:34 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
And you will delight us with your fortune telling skills for all of them, I'm sure.

She's pretty accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Fri August 10th, 2012, 22:39 GMT 
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Yes, she must be clairvoyant. :roll:
At least she refrains from it now on the live setlist threads.


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 Post subject: Re: Setlists (Old & New)
PostPosted: Wed August 15th, 2012, 17:36 GMT 
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