THIS is why I love Bob Dylan (comment added by Karl Erik)

Lily Rose

Train-I-Ride wrote:

If Dylan had died in 1966, he'd still be relevant today. That relevance has no dependence on the fact that he's still touring, turning out albums, and is a husk of his former self. His relevance today depends almost entirely on his 1962- 1967, 1974 - 1976 career. Whatever he he has done since is, by comparison, an irrelevance. Without those years he would barely have a career today. You're able to see him today, because of what he achieved then. Man up, and accept that fact.

That's a bit much, don't ya think.... there is a mounting grammy count from the years after that many artist would love to have in their column.....

DebbieA

Train-I-Ride wrote:

If Dylan had died in 1966, he'd still be relevant today. That relevance has no dependence on the fact that he's still touring, turning out albums, and is a husk of his former self. His relevance today depends almost entirely on his 1962- 1967, 1974 - 1976 career. Whatever he he has done since is, by comparison, an irrelevance. Without those years he would barely have a career today. You're able to see him today, because of what he achieved then. Man up, and accept that fact.

I agree.

If Dylan started out today busking as an unknown he would be laughed at, people would be throwing rotten eggs at him on the street. The reason why the majority of people still see him live (not people on this board) is because of those songs he wrote in the 60s and 70s, he did write excellent songs after this period but they were few and far between.

Ontherun

I disagee completely. He has written many, many wonderful songs lately and is still very relevant. Bob is an artist and to create is as normal to him as breathing in and out. BUT he is not creating to be popular or stuff like that. You like it FINE. You don't like it that is fine too, but don't go so far as to throw rotten eggs at a person just because you don't like his or her music. That is a criminal act today. We try to uphold some kind of law and order and freedom of expression right?

I love the song Cold irons bound. To me just that one song is a masterpiece...

DebbieA

Ontherun wrote:

I disagee completely. He has written many, many wonderful songs lately and is still very relevant. Bob is an artist and to create is as normal to him as breathing in and out. BUT he is not creating to be popular or stuff like that. You like it FINE. You don't like it that is fine too, but don't go so far as to throw rotten eggs at a person just because you don't like his or her music. That is a criminal act today. We try to uphold some kind of law and order and freedom of expression right?

I love the song Cold irons bound. To me just that one song is a masterpiece...

I love Cold Irons Bound too but only the album version.

oldmanemu

I have really enjoyed his last 4 albums . They rank with some of his best work over the 50 years.

Lily Rose

DebbieA wrote:

Ontherun wrote:

I disagee completely. He has written many, many wonderful songs lately and is still very relevant. Bob is an artist and to create is as normal to him as breathing in and out. BUT he is not creating to be popular or stuff like that. You like it FINE. You don't like it that is fine too, but don't go so far as to throw rotten eggs at a person just because you don't like his or her music. That is a criminal act today. We try to uphold some kind of law and order and freedom of expression right?

I love the song Cold irons bound. To me just that one song is a masterpiece...

I love Cold Irons Bound too but only the album version.

That is exactly what makes him such an important artist today..... he keeps reworking all of his material.... we have to actually categorize which version of a song because he can make them twist and turn so much from version to version..... he of course is not the only one that can do this.... but he right up there towards the top, if not the very top of the list of artist doing it. As someone pointed out.... you cannot stop watching because it is Dylan and you just never know what he might come up with next...

henrypussycat

DebbieA wrote:

Train-I-Ride wrote:

If Dylan had died in 1966, he'd still be relevant today. That relevance has no dependence on the fact that he's still touring, turning out albums, and is a husk of his former self. His relevance today depends almost entirely on his 1962- 1967, 1974 - 1976 career. Whatever he he has done since is, by comparison, an irrelevance. Without those years he would barely have a career today. You're able to see him today, because of what he achieved then. Man up, and accept that fact.

I agree.

If Dylan started out today busking as an unknown he would be laughed at, people would be throwing rotten eggs at him on the street. The reason why the majority of people still see him live (not people on this board) is because of those songs he wrote in the 60s and 70s, he did write excellent songs after this period but they were few and far between.

He was laughed at plenty from the beginning. And Dylan has always lost large numbers of previous listeners with his mind boggling career turns. I can't help but listen because most of the time he's a challenging listen, so much more pointed than anybody else I can think of. The effect may be wearing off, though; the last two records haven't cut very deep for me.

DebbieA

oldmanemu wrote:

I have really enjoyed his last 4 albums . They rank with some of his best work over the 50 years.

Yeah they're better than Knocked Out Loaded.

Milkcow

man in the moon wrote:

Milkcow wrote:

if you come to a BOB DYLAN fan site just for being a fan of Benny Boy, you were never in the correct place to begin with... :roll:

Hi Milkcow. This was not what I meant at all. I come to ER because I'm a HUGE fan of Bob Dylan and I love to read other peoples inner musings on the man. Ironically its mostly 80s and later Dylan i listen to so I certainly don't share many of Benny Boy's opinions. However I do find them considered, thought provoking, funny and generally of high quality. This is fairly unusual for a fan site - I read some threads on Macca's site the other day and they were just banal. It made me think how great ER is in comparison.

When I say I want to know if I still want to be here it's about a point of principle. I was really stunned that such a high quality contributor had been banned. Bob is all about going against the grain, saying what you think, not being afraid to stick to your guns, freedom (chimes of) so I would not expect ER to be too overly sensistive about contributors that share the same traits. It seems like such a strange decision so I really need to understand it to see if this is indeed the place for me.

Regardless of his quality posts, he bullied people and took the fun out of a lot of new Bob things. Sorry. A lot of us stick to our guns about what we like and don''t. I'm one. I can't stand Charlie and was ragged on for it for ages.... I can't stand TTL, and I wasn't in favor of Bob's Asia series, and Bob as a lead guitar player is just awful. I voiced that opinion and why the dislike...however I didn't disrespect anyone while doing it. I didn't tell people to fu ck off b/c their opinion was different. I didn't insult someone's mother b/c of a different opinion, I didn't follow someone from thread to thread berating them, etc... So if those are your standards and your principles, I do hope you find a better website to match your needs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks or how they interpret this site, it's all about Dylan. The owner made it to honor Bob Dylan. Us coming here to chat about whatever is secondary.

Milkcow

DebbieA wrote:

oldmanemu wrote:

I have really enjoyed his last 4 albums . They rank with some of his best work over the 50 years.

Yeah they're better than Knocked Out Loaded.

TTL isn't

and I love KOL....even though I get the underlying message to your post... :roll:

I agree with Emu about the other 3

DebbieA

.[/quote]He was laughed at plenty from the beginning[/quote]

I am so sick of this argument, the Modbobs have been throwing the fact that people booed him in 1965 to excuse everything since (oooo people hated his stuff then and his stuff was good therefore when people criticize him now it means his current stuff is good) its a cop out.

hwy612008

if all this speculation about bennyboy being banned is true .....why not a petition (or thread) drawn up, with all members in support of having him brought back casting their vote to do so ?.......he's got my vote..... ER needs his brutal honesty and apt descriptions of how he feels......whether some agree with his views or not

henrypussycat

Milkcow wrote:

man in the moon wrote:

Hi Milkcow. This was not what I meant at all. I come to ER because I'm a HUGE fan of Bob Dylan and I love to read other peoples inner musings on the man. Ironically its mostly 80s and later Dylan i listen to so I certainly don't share many of Benny Boy's opinions. However I do find them considered, thought provoking, funny and generally of high quality. This is fairly unusual for a fan site - I read some threads on Macca's site the other day and they were just banal. It made me think how great ER is in comparison.

When I say I want to know if I still want to be here it's about a point of principle. I was really stunned that such a high quality contributor had been banned. Bob is all about going against the grain, saying what you think, not being afraid to stick to your guns, freedom (chimes of) so I would not expect ER to be too overly sensistive about contributors that share the same traits. It seems like such a strange decision so I really need to understand it to see if this is indeed the place for me.

Regardless of his quality posts, he bullied people and took the fun out of a lot of new Bob things. Sorry. A lot of us stick to our guns about what we like and don''t. I'm one. I can't stand Charlie and was ragged on for it for ages.... I can't stand TTL, and I wasn't in favor of Bob's Asia series, and Bob as a lead guitar player is just awful. I voiced that opinion and why the dislike...however I didn't disrespect anyone while doing it. I didn't tell people to fu ck off b/c their opinion was different. I didn't insult someone's mother b/c of a different opinion, I didn't follow someone from thread to thread berating them, etc... So if those are your standards and your principles, I do hope you find a better website to match your needs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks or how they interpret this site, it's all about Dylan. The owner made it to honor Bob Dylan. Us coming here to chat about whatever is secondary.

Benny's beyond pompous but that's part of the appeal. Every 10th insult was off the wall enough to be funny. It was fun poking him like a zoo monkey to see what he'd come up with. He could also devolve into very tedious insult trading (maybe when he was drinking). His positive posts, evangelistic in their fervor, were a genuine contribution.

DebbieA

I think Bennyboy's mistake is not to realise that a good amount of ER is just PR quality control and not to take it seriously.

He also has my vote, needless to say.

Milkcow

DebbieA wrote:

Train-I-Ride wrote:

If Dylan had died in 1966, he'd still be relevant today. That relevance has no dependence on the fact that he's still touring, turning out albums, and is a husk of his former self. His relevance today depends almost entirely on his 1962- 1967, 1974 - 1976 career. Whatever he he has done since is, by comparison, an irrelevance. Without those years he would barely have a career today. You're able to see him today, because of what he achieved then. Man up, and accept that fact.

I agree.

If Dylan started out today busking as an unknown he would be laughed at, people would be throwing rotten eggs at him on the street. The reason why the majority of people still see him live (not people on this board) is because of those songs he wrote in the 60s and 70s, he did write excellent songs after this period but they were few and far between.

Well, those 2 time periods were great pinnacles in his career. Pretend they never happened... How do you know for certain he wouldn't be considered great? People love Tom Waits.... and to say his excellent song now are few is ridiculous... plus it's a matter of opinion.
And really NONE of us know what he career would be if the others didn't happen. You're speculating. It's a total waste of time. His career did happen, he was a HUGE influence on musicians internationally, so you don't even know what music would have been like if he hadn't contributed. Same reasoning goes for Elvis and the Beatles.

Lily Rose

hwy612008 wrote:

if all this speculation about bennyboy being banned is true .....why not a petition (or thread) drawn up, with all members in support of having him brought back casting their vote to do so ?.......he's got my vote..... ER needs his brutal honesty and apt descriptions of how he feels......whether some agree with his views or not

No, no, let's put that one to rest right now..... no one except for those on the inside.... mods and owners.... know all the facts.... and when we came here we agreed to go with those rules..... I will miss Bennyboy, but a thread about it other than what is already going is not a good idea.

DebbieA

This whole forum is one gigantic mass of speculation :lol:

Milkcow

henrypussycat wrote:

Milkcow wrote:

Regardless of his quality posts, he bullied people and took the fun out of a lot of new Bob things. Sorry. A lot of us stick to our guns about what we like and don''t. I'm one. I can't stand Charlie and was ragged on for it for ages.... I can't stand TTL, and I wasn't in favor of Bob's Asia series, and Bob as a lead guitar player is just awful. I voiced that opinion and why the dislike...however I didn't disrespect anyone while doing it. I didn't tell people to fu ck off b/c their opinion was different. I didn't insult someone's mother b/c of a different opinion, I didn't follow someone from thread to thread berating them, etc... So if those are your standards and your principles, I do hope you find a better website to match your needs.

Regardless of what anyone thinks or how they interpret this site, it's all about Dylan. The owner made it to honor Bob Dylan. Us coming here to chat about whatever is secondary.

Benny's beyond pompous but that's part of the appeal. Every 10th insult was off the wall enough to be funny. It was fun poking him like a zoo monkey to see what he'd come up with. He could also devolve into very tedious insult trading (maybe when he was drinking). His positive posts, evangelistic in their fervor, were a genuine contribution.

Well, it's NOT part of the appeal for everyone. Maybe the yay sayers here love him, but there are loads of other readers who may not even post who find him trash.
Every 10th post being a knee slapper is not a great record for getting along well with others... sorry.

Milkcow

DebbieA wrote:

This whole forum is one gigantic mass of speculation :lol:

no, lots of the board is,
lots is opinion,

but some is fact... it is a well known fact that Bob Dylan changed lyrics and influenced songwriters all over the world...

it is a fact that Bob has a new album being released, it is a fact Bob is on tour... what people think about it is an opinion.

henrypussycat

Milkcow wrote:

henrypussycat wrote:

Benny's beyond pompous but that's part of the appeal. Every 10th insult was off the wall enough to be funny. It was fun poking him like a zoo monkey to see what he'd come up with. He could also devolve into very tedious insult trading (maybe when he was drinking). His positive posts, evangelistic in their fervor, were a genuine contribution.

Well, it's NOT part of the appeal for everyone. Maybe the yay sayers here love him, but there are loads of other readers who may not even post who find him trash.
Every 10th post being a knee slapper is not a great record for getting along well with others... sorry.

You seem to miss the sarcasm

Milkcow

DebbieA wrote:

I think Bennyboy's mistake is not to realise that a good amount of ER is just PR quality control and not to take it seriously.

He also has my vote, needless to say.

Nope
I think his mistake was completely disrespecting others, ignoring requests to stop, and thinking he could get away with it because he shared some good stuff and wrote well...

Still Go Barefoot · **Joined:** Fri July 15th, 2011, 03:23 GMT **Posts:** 10381

Reminds me of a recent exchange in the Dresden LIVE SET thread:

Still Go Barefoot wrote:

He can't help it, he's really a secret admirer who received positive reinforcement for dissing Bob here. I think maybe his ego got pumped up and now he feels like he's got to please his imaginary so-called followers by calling himself 'all-knowing,' etc. He feels painted in a corner when he, himself is actually the one that can set himself free. Little does he know that we'd truly accept and love him for what he is if only he'd come back and be himself. I wanna party with this guy.

Bennyboy wrote:

Gulp - is that you mommy?

Classic! Yes dear, I believe in you.

Look, it's a loss when any engaged contributor is boxed out. It's also about common courtesy and basic respect. I have no idea what happened to Bannyboy. We need to trust the judgement of those that run this site. If he is really gone and this is not some rouse to up his visibility, then so be it. Based on history it seems that enough agreements and criteria were laid out behind the scenes along the way so that this isn't a one-off anomaly surprise situation. The dude is a lot of fun. He's funny, knowledgable and probably has a heart of gold. There is also a streak of unnecessary venomous put-down attitude that crosses the line into the personal-attack-zone, regardless of intent. I'm gonna miss the suckah if he's gone. We still need to drink some heavy dark beer together. He will reappear one way or another. It may mean by livin' in another country under another name. Stay tuned.

P. Pittsburgh Joe · **Joined:** Sun March 22nd, 2009, 18:48 GMT **Posts:** 2097

Milkcow wrote:

Regardless of his quality posts, he bullied people and took the fun out of a lot of new Bob things.

Right on. Debate is healthy & should be encouraged.

But I can't go for it when it's done in a childish way, with name-calling & an attitude that one will be proved "right" just by screaming the loudest.

Or when one is just here to dictate what "good taste" is without being open to the possibility that he might actually learn something from another member.

Or when one derails every single thread by making 'em about "ModBob" or "the voice." It's OK to debate the quality of a performance if that's what the topic is. But if the topic is, say, my dream set list, nobody needs to be invading it with comments like, "who cares, the voice will be shite anyway."

And if some folks found him funny....well, one can be funny without insulting people.

Which is a shame. The guy is obviously bright & could have added much to the these boards. He didn't need all the bullshit.

Milkcow

henrypussycat wrote:

Milkcow wrote:

Well, it's NOT part of the appeal for everyone. Maybe the yay sayers here love him, but there are loads of other readers who may not even post who find him trash.
Every 10th post being a knee slapper is not a great record for getting along well with others... sorry.

You seem to miss the sarcasm

You seem to miss the point...I got his sarcasm, however I amongst many others was not a fan of it.

Fat Bob

Ummm- do we actually know that Benny has been banned? Because he seems to still be in the members list and seems to have visited here earlier today. Would that be the case if he had been banned?

I'm just sayin'....

Expecting Rain

THIS is why I love Bob Dylan (comment added by Karl Erik)

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