Expecting Rain

Never thought I'd pine for the wit of CShoe... if you're really gonna be the new anti-Warren Peace person, you just have to try harder than you are. You've gotta give me something to work with, otherwise both of us look like Schmucks. Instead of just one.

People will still be listening to Dylan in 100 years. All these people who are outselling him will be nothing more than sales chart asterisks.

What a ridiculous statement.

That's right, keep on your toes, Benny! Someone's gunning for your spot. Are you gonna take that lying down? Now is the time to double down on your Warren hate. Ask not for whom the Belle tolls... it tolls for thee.

But by all means, feel free to explain why your idle speculation is better than mine.

You seriously think people will still be listening to Dylan in 100 years time? Most of the people that make up his core constinuency from the 60s will be dead in 20 years. Within 30 years record companies will be bought by advertising agencies. Another decade on and 'music' will be just the stuff they play on commercials, generated by either robots or laboratory bred blobs.

Project forward to 2110 and the handful of inbred billionaires who represent what's left of the human race will be in space, planning to invade some alien planet in the name of freedom and liberty. Think they'll have taken that bootleg of Japan 2010 with the excellent version of 'Jolene' with them?

Bennyboy, I don't think that the 100 years is at all unbelievable.... We are still now listening to music that was written in the 1920's.... and even earlier..... I am sure you don't find it at all odd that we regularly listen to music of the 1950's and 1960's... quite a lot of it as a matter of fact.... so how much difference is there between that and 100 years from now..... the biggest factor is that the music will be available unlike recordings of items from the 1700's.... but even those are still with us as sheet music... which was the "recording" of the day.

The rate of climate change, globalisation of capital and the advancement of technology will make 'progress' of the last 100 years seem negligable compared to what's coming. Watch this space. It will soon be gone.

Oh, good, we are all gonna live even longer, have more leisure time, and have more time to listen to Dylan for even more years!!!! Also, the more technology that happens the more we will want to listen to good ole, un-overproduced music.... (or as thickboy would say, overproducednessness will be out)

I don't believe I just read what Bennyboy wrote. Sure, I listen to a lot of twenty, thirty, forty year old Dylan, but Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Purchell, Palestrina, and dozens more still hold a place on my turntable. Dylan gone in 100 years? Stick around and see. I'm betting I'll win.

Um, you still listen to original recordings of Mozart and Beethoven? Cool. Didnt know their albums were still available....

can we please get back on topic: What can we do to make sure that Bob Dylan makes enough money?

What you're saying is that in the future, people just won't care about the history of music anymore. You're letting your desire to see Dylan fail overwhelm your reason -- we don't have to guess that people will be interested in music that old, they already are. We're about 100 years away from the earliest folk recordings, tracks cut by people who were no names in their own time yet are now studied today. And as PTervin said (in a point you completely dodged), people still give a damn about Mozart and Beethoven well over a hundred years after the fact. It's a tremendous leap to say Dylan's name will be wiped away from history in such short order.

It's getting worse. The end is upon us. Are you really real? Don't bother to answer that. It's called a rhetorical question. Don't waste your time looking that one up, it's obvious you wouldn't benefit the effort of lifting the pages.

If you don't think the human race will be massively transformed in a hundred years time, you are insane.The nature of music listening has changed totally since the introduction of the iPod, a mere decade ago. The 'physical' music industry has been ravaged and is threatened with extinction, CDs will be dead soon and profit margins will squeeze out all but the most salesworthy, focus group led artists. At the same time, the heavily sponsor-invested 'live' music industry is flourishing. Nobody with any sense is predicting a healthy future for music production. I attended the International Live Music Conference (focus for the global industry) in west London earlier this year and you would not believe the degree of control money has over what you get to hear from day to day. The freedom of free / illegal downloading will become heavily policed and new music will die if it cannot justify itself financially. This equally applies to 'old' music such as Dylan's. If you think in 100 years time you'll be able to get hold of his albums easily, think again.

You didnt answer the question.

Yes, only one of limited space between the ears would suggest that original recordings from 200, 300, 400+ years ago would exist. No, I have not heard Mozart's four-year old recording of "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star", but I do believe I've seen it displayed in this thread.

Oh, and your turntable is sure to be around in 100 years mate, I'm sure you're right.

Dylan will not be anything but a footnote in a century's time. I'll see your bet and raise it a cassette walkman.

Exactly. You can't equate a Bob Dylan album with a recording of a classical composer's work.

Udo Jurgens is a virtual hit machine, he is as good, or better, than david hasselhoff and should have sold 200 million records

the hoff roast was pretty entertaining btw

So, whoever suggested they could? You started this off-discussion with absurd suggestions about the longevity of music. Then you added other absurdities:



As much as I believe in life on other planets, your statements on the advance of the human race are so far off target that anything you say is meaningless. The closest possible Earth-like planet is a mere 4.3 light years away. Setting aside the fact that there are no planets surrounding this nearby star, at the rate we travel today it would take several hundred thousand years to even get to this nearest, planet-less star, your estimates of Dylan's worth are, what shall we say, light-years off target.

One day, a Dylan song will be the Global Anthem for the coming one-world government.

Either you lack the ability to read humour properly or you are deliberately being pedantic to get a rise. The latter is fine, the former mind-boggling.

Hey if people are not still listening to music from 100 years or more back then how come there is all that b!tching when Bobkins 'borrows' a line or tune from long ago music.....?????

And when you consider they way things have changed from 1910 to 2010 in degree of change will it be that much of a change in the next 100 years? People will still be listening to Dylan and they will also still be b!tchng about the voice and the borrowed lines and the quality of recordings.... something might change, but not those things...

and as to this:

That is one of the funniest things I have ever read on these boards..... I think that since the day that Dylan figured out that Grossman was taking more than he thought he was there has been nobody that could have figured out how to help Bob Dylan make enough money any better than Bob Dylan..... so jman.... you just don't worry about him... he wears those hoodie outfits on his off time because he likes them.....

New Pony!

Which record are you talking about?

Barring some transformation of American/Anglo-Saxon culture that makes it unrecognizable - and we have hundreds of years of said culture that *is* recognizable to itself, so the smart money is on at least as much continuity as change - Bob Dylan will continue to be listened to. For me, the real debate is not whether his music will last; it will. The debate is whether he will become 'canonical' in the sense of being regularly discussed in universities and among cultural elites, or whether he'll survive underground, more in the fashion of HP Lovecraft (i.e., not a generally accepted part of the 'canon' but quite influential and never lacking followers).