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PostPosted: Wed November 7th, 2018, 16:32 GMT 

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Does anyone know if there are any outtakes from JWH.


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PostPosted: Wed November 7th, 2018, 16:38 GMT 
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BRITISHROCK1 wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any outtakes from JWH.

Some people claim they exist and have heard them. And of course they are more beautiful that any sound ever heard by anyone in history.
There was hope they would be released last year due to the copyright expiry issue, but it never happened, so we are left to wonder.


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 01:53 GMT 

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Maybe at the Tulsa archive??


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 04:12 GMT 

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I really don't get why this keeps coming up.

He went into the studio with the songs already formed and recorded them in fairly short order with little experimentation. Even if some outtakes exist, I doubt they differ much from the released takes.


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 09:52 GMT 
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That could be said for the current bootleg series 14. I still hope for JWH outtakes even now.


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 11:46 GMT 
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I mentioned this on a bob fb group a month or so back, for me JWH out-takes are one of the holy grail's. I got a reply from michael grey who said he has heard them and talked highly of them .


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 13:01 GMT 

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I mentioned this on a bob fb group a month or so back, for me JWH out-takes are one of the holy grail's. I got a reply from michael grey who said he has heard them and talked highly of them .


Link?


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 13:05 GMT 
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FieldingMellish wrote:
the_hurricane wrote:
I mentioned this on a bob fb group a month or so back, for me JWH out-takes are one of the holy grail's. I got a reply from michael grey who said he has heard them and talked highly of them .


Link?


I'll try and find it, as i said a month or so ago so it wont be easy to find.


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PostPosted: Thu November 8th, 2018, 15:43 GMT 

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Remember, what looks large from a distance, close-up ain't never that big.


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PostPosted: Fri November 9th, 2018, 14:37 GMT 

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escapeedrifter wrote:
That could be said for the current bootleg series 14. I still hope for JWH outtakes even now.


I agree I hope there are outtakes. How many people were aware of the enormous amount of outtakes from BOTT were in the archives.


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PostPosted: Fri November 9th, 2018, 15:08 GMT 
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paid in blood wrote:
Remember, what looks large from a distance, close-up ain't never that big.


Speak for yourself.


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PostPosted: Fri November 9th, 2018, 17:25 GMT 
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"Dear Landlord" always sounded like Brenda Lee's "I'm Sorry" to me -- a fantastic record. I don't have the outtakes to prove it, but it reinforces my hypothesis that the "landlord" was Sara Lounds!

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PostPosted: Mon November 12th, 2018, 18:23 GMT 
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I agree with the poster that the JWH outtakes (if they exist) would be warm
up versions akin to More Blood More Tracks.
I understand Columbia's commercial decision in doing what they did, BOTT was/is
one of if not his most highly regarded albums so an eager audience is there.
I just feel like there are more interesting outtakes to heat.
Seeing how Dylan played with The Band, I'd be surprised if there weren't warm
up tracks never intended for the PW album that would have made for a more
entertaining listen. That said...there are a few tracks on MBMT that i really enjoyed


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PostPosted: Mon November 12th, 2018, 23:37 GMT 
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I think I started a post about this many years back and someone mentioned there being loads of really long takes of all along the watchtower with completely different lyrics. It was one of those rolling stone articles where a source in the Dylan camp heard them, said they were the holy grail and said they were planned for one of the next bootleg series. This was before the basement tapes and another self portrait came out though


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PostPosted: Tue November 13th, 2018, 07:30 GMT 
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Further to that the details are in this lengthy discussion viewtopic.php?f=6&t=91308&hilit=John+Wesley+harding+outtakes which I have just reread.
Ignore the copyright bits. There was great anticipation last year for a 1967 copyright release but it never happened as the John Wesley harding (Jwh) outtakes are in the hands of either Sony or a collector who has promised not to share them. Someone has on this forum has heard them and mentioned a jaunty first take of as I went out one morning, out takes of all along the way being amazing and a couple of other gems. I didn't realise that a version of biograph was mistakenly released in 97 and then recalled which had the full ending of one o the Jwh songs with a rambling harmonica end. I'd like to hear that. Guess it would be copyrighted though. I am pleased to see Jwh considered in such high regard now. Years ago a lot of fans moaned about it but I always have cherished it. Apparently the sessions are in the Tulsa vault for people to hear. If so, someone go and hear some of them so that we can be told if they are as good as I think they'll be. Also, could someone grab the lists of the songs/takes that were recorded and put them here so we know what the full sessions consist of please. I have spent long enough reading through copyright crap to do it.


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PostPosted: Tue November 13th, 2018, 07:44 GMT 
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Pauley wrote:
I didn't realise that a version of biograph was mistakenly released in 97 and then recalled which had the full ending of one o the Jwh songs with a rambling harmonica end. I'd like to hear that.


I had no idea. Was it a CD remaster? In that case somebody must have it, right? Someone who knew what they'd stumblen upon? Which songs? Any source?


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PostPosted: Tue November 13th, 2018, 07:51 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
Pauley wrote:
I didn't realise that a version of biograph was mistakenly released in 97 and then recalled which had the full ending of one o the Jwh songs with a rambling harmonica end. I'd like to hear that.



I had no idea. Was it a CD remaster? In that case somebody must have it, right? Someone who knew what they'd stumblen upon? Which songs? Any source?


It is mentioned on about page 7 of the discussion I linked to above .can't remember the song or the poster. Using a phone instead of a computer mean you can't see the poster s names easily


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PostPosted: Tue November 13th, 2018, 08:00 GMT 
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Michpom is the poster who heard the outtakes for 2 hours. and Dylan "sources" in a couple of articles) that the JWH sessions won't be protected by a Copyright Extension release because there isn't much of interest in the outtakes, I find it curious that three times in the past couple of years, the JWH tapes have been cited as one of the highlights of the new Tulsa Archive. Here are the relevant quotes:

(1) Chaiken has only begun to dip into the hundreds of hours of raw Dylan recording sessions, but he's already come across a completely different version of 1997's Time Out of Mind produced by pianist Jim Dickinson and the complete John Wesley Harding sessions. "It's such a mysterious record," he says. "I heard a couple of alternate takes of 'All Along The Watchtower' that were, to me as a fan, just incredible."

(2) Chaiken found himself doing a deep dive on the sessions that would become the album titled "John Wesley Harding." "To hear the alternate versions to 'All Along the Watchtower,' it was amazing," Chaiken said. "He's like a Miles Davis character when he goes into the studio, there's so much improvisation going on and moving things '


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 06:17 GMT 

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The thought that I may never hear these outtakes breaks my heart.


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 07:49 GMT 
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mtepner wrote:
The thought that I may never hear these outtakes breaks my heart.


It's awful, sure, but it's only John Wesley Harding. It's not like it's outtakes from any of the important albums...


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Anr Bjotk wrote:
mtepner wrote:
The thought that I may never hear these outtakes breaks my heart.


It's awful, sure, but it's only John Wesley Harding. It's not like it's outtakes from any of the important albums...

This was me until about a year ago.
Then I started reading hERe about just how great JWH is if only you take the time and patience to listen to it carefully. Which is what I did and now I´m converted, to the point that it´s probably my favorite Bob record right now.
It´s a trully great and fascinating record, unlike any other he´s ever done. It´s not easy to get into, it sounds fairly dry on first listens, but it surely rewards repeated listens.


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 08:26 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
This was me until about a year ago.
Then I started reading hERe about just how great JWH is if only you take the time and patience to listen to it carefully. Which is what I did and now I´m converted, to the point that it´s probably my favorite Bob record right now.
It´s a trully great and fascinating record, unlike any other he´s ever done. It´s not easy to get into, it sounds fairly dry on first listens, but it surely rewards repeated listens.


So people keep saying, but I just dont get it. Sure Frankie Lee is a great song, and Down Along the Cove is funky as funck, but no other song has spoken to me. Watchtower is historically important, but surpassed by live versions.
Maybe there is some hidden key I need to access this...


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 08:34 GMT 
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A big part of the problem is with the process. JWH was composed as a series
of poems with the exception of I'll Be Your Baby & Down Along The Cove.
I'd ask anyone; when you say you love it, do you mean you respect it, or you
actually play it? It works well on paper, but as music it's a bit sterile, the
dynamics are limited. Except for, very interestingly, with Cove & I'll be your
baby. Just shows that Dylan's music, as most, requires not only an organic
execution but also an organic origin. He never repeated the experiment.


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 15:08 GMT 
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I play it more than any other dylan album except for love and theft.


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PostPosted: Thu November 15th, 2018, 15:16 GMT 
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escapeedrifter wrote:
I play it more than any other dylan album except for love and theft.

Wow, there you go. I never much get into it. It's a cerebral exercise.
I love L&T though. In many ways the two are opposites lyrically. One
is very structured. The other is very free & associative. Johnny Cash
said he believed L&T was Dylan's greatest album.


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